User talk:Sannse/Archive 1

December 2002 - December 2003

Hello and Welcome! I hope you like the place! --mav

Thanks Mav, it's good to be here :) sannse

Hi Sannse, thanks for fixing all these Germany links! I know that kind of mainenance can be a real pain :-) --Magnus Manske

No problem :) I like that I can do something useful without taxing my brain too much. I think I'll tackle "American" after the weekend. -- sannse

If you're feeling like the existing disambiguation pages aren't enough for you, you could always turn British into a disambig page... ;-) Martin

heh! I'd rather change all the others into redirects ;) sannse

Note: I've redirected a link to the disambiguation page for "British" above, to reduce crowding in the first level of links on the "What links here" page for that article. Cheers! -- BD2412 ^talk 01:40, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

Hi, is [[Chinese]] really considered a disambiguation page? It has details and info, unlike other disambiguation pages.

On the Chinese Wikipedian Listing Page, I had reverted your change from [[Chinese]] to [[China|Chinese]]. Please see its Talk. Hope you understand.

I also think "Chinese" on the page "Family name" should be reverted, because it applies to all Chinese surnames, not just citizens of China's surnames. What do you think? Are there any other pages you think should be reverted?

--Menchi 21:46 Feb 17, 2003 (UTC)

It's listed as a disambiguation page - although you are right that there is some good information on the page, more than on most.

I'm fine about the change to the Chinese Wikipedians page. I dithered for a long time on that one, I really wasn't sure what was best. So I'm happy with the change. I used ethnic Chinese a couple of times when that seemed appropriate but, as you say, the Chinese Wikipedians list is wider than that. It's difficult sometimes to see what's best - second opinions are always welcome :)

The family name one is tricky. The sentence refers to Chinese culture. So shouldn't that link to China as the origin of Chinese culture? I think the link to "Japanese" should go to Japan in the same way (I just haven't started on "Japanese" yet). I'll bow to your judgement on this one, if you think it should be changed I'll go with that.

The only other one I remember having trouble with was User:Indexed list JM. I changed it to "China" in the end, but was very prepared for it to be changed back. There were probably others, this wasn't as straightforward as some of the other languages I've been working on.

Anyway, revert away where you think it best :) - sannse

Fixed the Spanish and Portuguese disambiguations on my user page. Thanks for pointing it out to me! I usually try to be more careful about wiki-ing links :) --ciudadlejana

Thanks ciudadlejana, Oh those Wiki obsessions ;) -- sannse 14:54 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Sannse, I've been working on cleaning up the Baha'i pages, and thought it might help to consult with an "old wikipedia hand" who is also a Baha'i. (I noticed that yours was the only user page that linked to the Baha'i page.) Specifically, I am thinking about pulling the Houses of Worship section out to a page [Bahai Houses of Worship] and putting links to images of the 7 and a discussion of what a Mashrikul-Adhkar is there.

Does this make sense, or am I buying trouble? (Not that I'm not used to buying trouble after 6 years of moderating the usenet Baha'i newsgroup. :-) Rick Boatright 04:26 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC)

An "old hand"? Cool! I have to admit I've only been around a couple of months though :)

I'm not a Baha'i either I'm afraid, my interest in religion is a general fascination. Baha'i is a particular interest because I have met some very special Baha'is and a lot of the Baha'i teachings make a great deal of sense to me. But I lack the somewhat essential belief in God, so would currently call myself an agnostic atheist.

But I'll give my opinion anyway :). I do think that a page on the Houses of Worship would be good. I'm sure there is enough material about them to make a good article. You could leave a short summary and a link on the main Baha'i page. It might take some fiddling to get all seven (or nine) images on the page looking good, if it comes across as too image heavy you can always split off the images to a separate page (see Gallery of Pompeii and Herculaneum for an example of this). Or you can shrink the images to thumbnails and link to larger versions (as in Opal). But I think it should work well as it is with some adjustment of the formatting.

Good luck, and let me know if I can help at all. sannse 14:54 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Sannse, I've added pigs in blanket, let me know if you've eaten them or know another name for them. 194.200.65.4 Feb21 2003

Reply on User talk:194.200.65.2 (summary: yes, no and yumm!) -- sannse 14:54 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC)

Why thank you, Sannse. No, it wasn't too late, indeed I think it must have made the difference. I play in the "Masters" comp - i.e., the veterans. In theory, every team has to have 7 out of 8 players over 30. In practice quite a few of the other teams seem to be full of 22 and 28 year-olds. Most of us are well over 40, and two are over 60. Add to that our easy-going attitude (training? huh?) and general lack of talent and you get the picture. I think we have lost 11 games straight now, though we don't bother to count them very often, and maybe it's 14. But - no doubt it was your luck that made the difference - tonight we had a nice solid win. :) Tannin

Woohoo! Good for you! -- sannse 11:10 Feb 27, 2003 (UTC)

Yeah, if you check again, do a search - U2 won 9 grammys, most of them ins 2001, and 'ROTY' was for ATYCLB (sing) - Sign your name on talk pages. -&#35918&#30505sv

see User:Stevertigo for reply.

Thankyou for adding the albumn cover to Monty Python Sings

No problem. Of course as I'd got it out to scan the cover, I had to play it too - so I'm sitting here giggling at "Oliver Cromwell" :) -- sannse

Thank you. I do read the lists, but through the web archives, so I'm usually a bit behind. Salsa Shark 07:08 Mar 19, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing my user page. Much appreciated. I got the impression from looking at the past history of the votes for deletion that 128.171.106.92 had removed a line though I could have misread it. STÓD/ÉÍRE 21:30 Mar 21, 2003 (UTC)

On votes for deletion, you asked:

As this has been listed for over a week, I've removed the photo from the article. But I'm not really sure what I need to delete, and in what order, to remove the image completely (I'm pretty new to the delete ability). Could someone help? Thanks -- sannse 19:11 Mar 21, 2003 (UTC)

On the image page there will be a "del" link for logged in administrators. I just took care of this one. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 22:11 Mar 21, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I'll add new newb tests to separate lines from here on in. -- Notheruser 04:55 Mar 26, 2003 (UTC)

Actually, I didn't put each newb test on a new line. I prefer my old format; someone else edited it that way. -- Notheruser 01:20 Mar 30, 2003 (UTC)

No, I'm not sure that 18 Songs/The Unseen is a valid album, but I am giving Michael the benefit of the doubt. If it is an album it was titled incorrectly, and I fixed it. If not, no big deal, I won't lose any sleep. -- goatasaur 18:36 Mar 30, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the words of support! -- Ams80 19:34 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC)

No problem, you do good work :) Apologies again for the misspelling of your name -- sannse 20:04 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC)

There were grammy awards in 1958. -fonzy

Hi Fonzy, the first Grammy awards were for 1958 but were presented May 4, 1959. Some sites, including Grammy.com, list under the year "for" rather than the year the awards were presented, which confuses the issue. The lists done so far are all based on the year the awards were presented. (See Record of the Year). -- sannse 20:51 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC)

8-S . stupidly confusing - fonzy

Agreed :) I'd done the listings for a couple of years before I worked it out. -- sannse

I noticed you added Bodhi at Wikipedia:Pages_needing_attention so I will get to work. Thanks and take care. Usedbook 00:13 Apr 10, 2003 (UTC)

Reply on User talk:Usedbook (summary: thanks and burnt karma?) -- sannse

I replaced it with, "and when all karma has reached cessation." Burnt might not be understood so I'm glad you brought it up.

There are 4 types of Karma that Gautama states... There is kamma that is dark with dark result; kamma that is bright with bright result; kamma that is dark & bright with dark & bright result; and kamma that is neither dark nor bright with neither dark nor bright result, leading to the ending of kamma. [AN IV.232]

Usedbook

That does make it clearer, thanks. The concepts are still difficult ones though. I think Buddhism is a subject that is difficult to write about in a way that is clear to non-Buddhists. It's good to have someone working of the subject that understands it. -- sannse 21:27 Apr 10, 2003 (UTC)

You are a one of the Wikipedia:Administrators. Would you please step in on the article of Stanley Stairs as well as my personal page(s) and put an end to the harassment, threats, obscene language, and vandalising of the article, all of which violate Jimbo Wales rules. Thank you. Olga Bityerkokoff

I'm sorry, no. I think in this case you should take it to the mailing list or to Jimbo himself. I've followed some of the recent controversy and don't feel that anything I could do would help the situation in any way. I will leave this to those more experienced (and probably more neutral) than me. Regards -- sannse 07:54 Apr 17, 2003 (UTC)

If you cannot fulfill the obligations of an Administrator, why did you apply for the responsibility? You were given the power to temporarily block abusive users. Please do that. Thank you. Olga Bityerkokoff

One of the obligations of an administrator is knowing when not to act. I recommend you write to the mailing list or to Jimbo. I also recommend that you take a break from Wikipedia to let things calm down, always a good idea when things get difficult. -- sannse 08:14 Apr 17, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Thanks for the detailed response to my talk User talk:Dod1

There are some question I would like to ask. I understand that you are very busy, so a link to the answer will be appreciated.

I have written an article about my city Petah-Tikva, Israel
1. The real name of the city (after your comments about city naming conventions) should be Petah Tikva. I read in wiki that someone with special authority (“Super User”) can do it
  can you please do it for me or tell me how to do it.
2. What is the best way to point out that several names are actually the same. In my case because the name of the town is Hebrew it could be written in English: Petach Tikva, Petah Tiqwa, Petach Tiqwa, etc.
  I tried the #redirect option – is this what I should do ?
Is there a way to link to a specific place in an article (like an internal link in WORD, or a link to paragraph in the article.
The Talk mechanism in wiki is very strange. There is a talk to an article, to a user etc. Where can I read the detailed explanation about this sytem?

Thanks and happy Easter (is that the right greeting?) Dod1 04:50 Apr 24, 2003 (UTC)

Hi, Dod1

I'm glad to try to help, I hope I can make things make sense for you :)

Any user can move an article, as long as they are logged in and the new title hasn't been used yet. Just click on the "Move this page" link at the bottom of the page, type in the new title and press the "Move page" button. The only time you will have problems is if the page title already exists (for example if you decided to move Petah-Tikva, Israel to Petah Tiqwa). In that case you would need an administrator to help - we can delete pages to clear the way for a move. See Wikipedia:How to rename (move) a page. I've done the move in this case.

Redirects are always good if there is more than one valid name, it helps people find the article they want and helps when people are linking to your article. But you shouldn't then put a link to the redirect into the article. When someone clicks on the link, they are taken straight back to the article - which doesn't tell them anything. It's best to use the alternative versions in the text as unlinked words (have a look at my changes to the article).

At the moment links to specific parts of articles do not work. There has been some talk of allowing this sort of link, but it hasn't happened yet (and maybe never will).

Have a look at Wikipedia:Talk page, there are also some other links on that page that might be useful. Which part of the talk system you use really depends on who you want to talk to and what you want to talk about. If you have a general comment or question about an article, then leave a comment on the article talk page (But be aware that you won't always get an answer, it depends who notices the comment.)

If you want to catch the attention of a particular user, then their personal talk page is best - as you've seen, they get notified when there is a new message on their page so you are more likely to get an answer. Some people will answer on your talk page, others will answer under your questions (as I am doing here). I always add talk pages I have used to my watchlist for a while, that way I can see easily if someone has answered.

Wikipedia:Help is a good place to start when you need this sort of information. Or just keep asking around, you can also ask general questions at Wikipedia:Village pump. I hope all this is of some help to you. Regards, -- sannse 15:16 Apr 24, 2003 (UTC)

I did not fully understand what you have done in Petah-Tikva article until I operated "What links here" option at the bottom of the page and got (pasted result - it looks beteer in the "Editing Page" - Sorry)

Petah-Tikva List of links)

The following pages link to here:

Petah Tikva (redirect page)

User talk:Sannse

Petah-Tikva, Israel (redirect page)

User talk:Sannse

Petah Tiqwa (redirect page)

User talk:Sannse

Petach Tikva (redirect page)

Petach Tiqwa (redirect page)

List of cities in Israel

I’ll try to find by myself what is the reason for the "User talk:Sannse" result
But I am surprised that when searching for "petah tiqwa" or even "Petah Tiqwa" I get NO result (ZERO)

Anyway thanks for what you have done including the English and paragraph corrections – I learnt a lot from just this "little" experiece.

I understood all your other detailed answers – and it’s going to take me some hours to internalize (fully understand) all you have written

I want to thank you again for the patience and very long answers. It’s really encouraging me to keep contributing to this project. But as I usually work about 50+ hours a week – it is difficult (Now I am in Peasach (Easter) vacation) :) -- Dod1 04:03 Apr 25, 2003 (UTC)

The reason for "User talk:Sannse" being on that list is that three of the pages are linked on this page (above). The "what links here" lists all articles (including talk pages etc.) that are linked to "Petah-Tikva" or to the redirects.

It looks as though redirects are not included in the limited search available at the moment. The full search has been turned off to limit the strain on the server. Hopefully that will be fixed soon, probably when the second server is on-line (it's been ordered I believe).

Anyway, I'm glad I've been of help and that you are going to stick around and edit when you have time :) -- sannse 20:02 Apr 25, 2003 (UTC)

It's strange that even Google does not find the "redirdcts". Anyway I think that the temporary lack of full search it should be mentioned in a proper place. (Search is a major utility in an online encyclopedia)

BTW it's really a pity that "links to specific parts of articles will NOT WORK". I think that is a wrong decision - but understand that is was because of the difficulty to solve / program. -- Dod1 21:18 Apr 25, 2003 (UTC)

Google will find them eventually - they are just too new to have been added to Google's database yet (as I understand it, we are visited by the Google spider less than once a month). You might want to add your other points at the village pump , the general community, including the developers, will see them there -- sannse 07:57 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks - I'll do that -- Dod1 11:08 Apr 26, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for disambig'ing my bad German links. Will take care of that in the future. -- djmutex 2003-04-30

No problem, it's a regular little job I take on :) -- sannse 08:24 Apr 30, 2003 (UTC)

Q: How can I create a private sandbox - like the one you did (Under user:Dod1) ?? -- Dod1 22:38 May 3, 2003 (UTC)

Just make a link on your user page like this - [[user:Dod1/sandbox]], then follow the link to create a new page in the usual way. -- sannse 06:31 May 4, 2003 (UTC)

You are amazing - so simple, why couldn't I think of it ??? Thanks -- Dod1 15:13 May 4, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Sannse. Since you're a master of disambiguating :-) let me ask one question regarding redirecting nationalities. Recently you've corrected a link at Isaac Barrow from [[English]] to [[England|English]]. I usually link to the nation. Example: He was a Slovene composer... And also what about ancient civilizations? What is the best to do? He was a Greek mathematician, [[Hellenistic Greece|Greek]], [[Greece|Greek]] and such. So I prefer linking to the nation if possible, not to geographical term. If the nations do not exist already then I use ancient country: Chaldean. Ah, but there are not all nations that we can find proper land for them. So, I guess we have to have articles about such sole nations to redirect there: Maya, ... Sorry if this subject is already spoken around. Best regards. --XJamRastafire 09:29 Apr 30, 2003 (UTC)

It can be difficult to see where the link should go. It does depend on the context somewhat. If we were talking about German residents of Russia, for example, I wouldn't link to Germany, there is an article at "ethnic German" that is more suitable. But where we are talking about "German" in the sense of "citizen of Germany" then I think the link should go to the country. In either case it shouldn't go to the disambiguation page at [[German]]. So I think the Isaac Barrow link is best at [[England|English]].

In the case of ancient civilisations I am probably not as accurate with my disambiguation as I should be. I try to send the link to a specific article on that civilisation where such an article exists, and to the geographical region where it doesn't. The article on the country should include the history of the area, so is more appropriate than the disambiguation page. But I'm no expert on ancient civilisations and so am likely to miss some more suitable links, especially if they are not yet listed on the relevant disambiguation page. To a large extent I rely on the original author being accurate and not describing someone as Russian if they are really mean they were of the Khazars.

I try to make my disambiguation accurate and relevant but I'm always grateful for any corrections when I get it wrong! Regards -- sannse 19:12 Apr 30, 2003 (UTC)

Yes, thank you very much for your answer. Just one more thing that bothers me. As we said about Isaac Barrows' link. Many times I see for English persons also links as at Michael Moorcock ... prolific British writer. What about this? Does being British depend on historical events (e.g. 'Queen of England') or who shall we consider British? Can we easily just say for one to be English, Irish, Scottish or do we still need an adjective British? And when exactly do we use it? Perhaps the term is uncorrectly used by foreigners. We used to say for persons who were born or lived in former Soviet Union from 1910s to 1990s to be Soviet, but many of them were Russians or from other nations -- and I guess this is not the same case. I know that many would say for someone from former Yugoslavia he was Yugoslav. This was of course just a citizenship since, as we all know, there were many nations in this country. But there was an option (mainly at censuses) for someone to declare himself to be of Yugoslav nationality. There is also a debate going on about Macedonians and Macedonian Slavs. (The last term is, as it seems, artificial, but I'm not an expect either and I do not want to fall in this quarrel.) I just want to use an adjective British properly. --XJamRastafire 09:40 May 5, 2003 (UTC)

In general, I think the specific terms are better, simply because they give more information. An article on Sean Connery would be very odd if it just described him as British, his Scottish origin is important. But at times someone is described as British - either because it's not necessary to be more specific, or because the author is not sure what to use, or a persons origin is more complicated (someone born in England to a Welsh mother and a Scottish father for example). I'm afraid I can't give a definitive answer, perhaps someone more knowledgeable than me could make the choice clearer. -- sannse 17:23 May 6, 2003 (UTC)

Did the image of the fat guy's genitals actually replace the logo displayed on every page (that might have required a hard page reload if true)? I'm not sure if image:wiki.png is live in that way... (at least I hope that is the case). --mav 10:40 May 10, 2003 (UTC)

I think it didn't (thanks goodness!) I didn't force a refresh so it may have been that the old image was coming from my cache, but as far as I could see it just affected the pages listed on the image info page. It might be worth checking with Brion though, I'd hate to think someone could do that to the main logo! -- sannse 10:47 May 10, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Sannse. I like the way you integrated the kennel club info into the taxobox on Dingo. That is a neat, tidy and informative solution, I think. Later on, I'll add some more info from the natural history/ecology point of view. It's a dual-purpose entry (and I see no need to split it) so feel free to edit it up with any other "Dingo as a dog breed" info as appropriate. Best -- Tannin

Thanks, I'll see what else I can find -- sannse 08:17 May 14, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks! Jimregan 20:46 15 May 2003 (UTC)

Minesweeper's solution was better. I keep learning :) -- sannse 20:48 15 May 2003 (UTC)

Sannse, I agree with your comment on the talk page for defense, so many legal pages link there, there really should be defense (law) and defence (law). - Alex756 10:36 16 May 2003 (UTC)

Answer at Talk:Defense, and thanks for the reply :) -- sannse 19:03 16 May 2003 (UTC)

Good job straightening out the [[defense (...)] mess. Alex756 20:33 17 May 2003 (UTC)

Yup I'm sure you are right re Lassie and Border Collie, have said so on its Talk page. Well spotted (not a dalmatian joke) - I saw it but did not click. Nevilley 00:19 17 May 2003 (UTC)

Heh. No problem. I guess it's a good thing that second vandal came along or I wouldn't have noticed. <g> - Hephaestos

Thanks for the help by the way. Same guy I'm fairly sure. - Hephaestos

I've not needed to help much - you are fast! Looks like the same bloke to me. I'll be pleased when we get the ability to block people like this, it might help discourage a few (well... maybe... I can dream can't I?). I'll have to leave you to it for a mo anyway - gotta get my morning coffee. -- sannse 07:46 17 May 2003 (UTC)

Hi Sannse,

There are many factual inaccuracies in the "Historical note" section at the bottom of the Hinduism page. Hence I have removed that section.

Regards, Ndpandit

What we usually do in such a case is move the section to the talk page (Talk:Hinduism in this case), or at least leave an explanation on the talk page to give reasons for the deletion. We often get people deleting large parts of articles for no reason, so it's helpful to discuss large deletions. Even better would be if the section could be edited to become accurate rather than deleted outright, but I acknowledge that that isn't always possible. I'll leave a note on the Hinduism talk page. Thanks for responding -- sannse 14:17 17 May 2003 (UTC)

I am appealing to you as a fellow collaborator as well as a sysop. I doubt you have been following the debates over genetic drift, but the basic principle is that allele frequencies change for random reasons, and in some cases, frequencies approach 100 % for some alleles and 0% for others. Moreover, the disappearance of alleles is as important to evolution as their “fixation.” This is an issue in the article, Neutral theory of molecular evolution. An earlier version of the article had this section:

A second assertion or hypothesis of the neutral theory is that most evolutionary change is the result of genetic drift acting on neutral alleles. Through drift, these alleles rise to dominance or become "fixed" in populations.

The implication is that drift involves solely a rise to dominance or fixation.That is misleading, and I changed it to:

Through drift, some alleles rise to dominance or become "fixed" in populations, while others disappear.

You may or may not be aware that I and 168 have had some issues. Well, I made this change to the article – I believe it is a clear, well-written, and entirely accurate change that in no way diminishes the rest of the article – and 168 reverted it. I believe he views that article as his property, and that he has effectively banned me from working on it. I can go on correcting the article, but it gets silly after a while. I need some sort of support – and whether you agree with me or 168, the article needs some sort of intervention. Thanks, Slrubenstein 20:11 23 May 2003 (UTC)

This lead to an interesting and educational discussion... thanks Steve! I hope I've left things a little clearer over there. I have to dismantle this computer now ready for my house move so I can't continue, but I feel we are at a point now where the article can go forward again. -- sannse 09:21 25 May 2003 (UTC)

Yes, it looks like you and I are on the same page about drift and evolution -- perhaps you will have more luck educating 168. In any event, good luck with your house move -- I hope you don't have too many headaches! Slrubenstein

Thanks very much for your participation and patience in the Neutral discussion, Sannse. Assuming we indeed go forward, it will have been thanks to you. 168... 16:26 25 May 2003 (UTC)

Only 57th? jimfbleak 08:20 8 Jun 2003 (UTC)

OK,OK, Mr "I'm 56th" Bleak. Besides, I was robbed, I hit the 4000 mark sometime yesterday - too late for those edits to be counted. Just you wait till next time it's updated ;) -- sannse

Hi Sannse About Image:Bucket in the sand.png I noticed that your version was smaller than anyone elses, and I was wondering what image editor you used ? I've cleaned up the image a little, removed the gap on the handle, got rid of the spurios little black line, and then converted it to 4 bit colour, but I still can't get the file size down to your version. Theresa knott 08:38 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I use Paint Shop Pro. I don't know if you have it, but if not the latest trial version (v.8) is at http://www.jasc.com/ (I use v.7 but they are probably much the same)

If you do have it, click on the 'options' button as you save the image, then the 'run optimizer' button. I always save this sort of image with 0% dithering, which cuts down the size and makes for a cleaner image. I also set the colours to as few as possible for the image. The image size is shown as you change settings, so it's easy to fiddle around until you get it as small as possible. Running your latest through this gives me 1026 bytes.

It's a good picture by the way :) I was thinking of adding it to my sandbox too, although I prefer the yellow background so it blends in with the page. Anyway, let me know if I can help more -- sannse 16:50 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be easiest to make a transparent background, should work whether it's a GIF or PNG? That way it looks fine on either page. -- John Owens 20:47 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I'd like that, but I think it's only used on yellow pages anyway, and maybe others think it looks better with a white box around it (I presumed that was why Jim changed back to an older version when I added the yellow background). Maybe I'll upload the transparent version as a new file name, that way we have a choice. -- sannse 08:58 14 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Sannse i too use PSP though I'm using version 4 which probably explains why your file is smaller. I'm scared to update any more software on my ancient machine for fear of slowing it down from tortoise to snail.As far as yellow backgrounds go. I like it. I don't know why Jim reverted. It seems to me that uploading a new pic to give people the chioce is nice but perhaps OTT. After all there is plenty of "real" work to do. Still, if you don't mind then what the hell. All work and no play ---- Theresa knott 09:11 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Heh, considering I really should be cleaning the kitchen right now I think changing image backgrounds or adding vital information to the 'pedia is playing ;) I'll drop a note to Jim asking his preference (as you say it's all no biggie either way). I guess it must be the difference in versions that is giving the different file sizes. Maybe you could try a newer version and see how it affects your speed. Of course there is always the risk that if it's no good you might have trouble getting things back how they were! But then what a great excuse to get a new computer :) Have fun! -- sannse 09:20 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I'd like the transparent version please (i hadn't even realsised I'd reverted from it!) jimfbleak 09:39 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Done :) -- sannse

Hi, I just wanted to say thank you for clearing up the misunderstanding about how long I had been here on my sysop application. Angela 14:12 20 Jun 2003 (UTC)

No problem, and congratulations on being made sysop (not that it makes a great deal of difference, but don't all those extra links look fun ;) -- sannse 19:51 20 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Heh...I caught that French and German ambiguity myself last night, but I was too tired to change it, and I forgot to do it today :) Thanks! Adam Bishop 20:20 22 Jun 2003 (UTC)

No problem, and welcome to the 'pedia :) -- sannse 20:25 22 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Hi Sannse, your comment on the Style-manual made me happy: "Lovely to wake up and find this sorted..." ;-) I did not sleep very well this night, sometimes I take Wikipedia too serious, but I will learn one day (or another) to handle this. I saw on your page that you are interrested in dogs. I worked on the Greyhound and Whippet article (where you can find an image of my dog ;-). Do you have a dog as well? Is there a dog-article that can be used as template so that I can bring this two articels in line with the others? Thanks, Fantasy

Oh, I'm sorry you had a bad night and glad things worked out in the end. What a lovely dog you have :) I don't have a dog myself, I live in a small flat, but our family dog Connie is the beauty on the Border Collie page. The dog-article template is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Dog breeds, but as I have all the information and links to hand, I'll add the table to Greyhound and Whippet for you :). With regards -- sannse 18:47 23 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Wow, your dog also looks great, I think they would go along together well ;-) Thanks for adding the table, now it looks really professional. I look forward to work on articles together again, see you, Fantasy 20:50 23 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I adore dogs that lean on stuff and stand (for over 5 seconds), so human-like! Majestic dog! --Menchi 21:30 7 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Thanks! - She is a beauty isn't she. That picture was taken on a boating holiday. Connie loved being on the boat and would stand like that, watching the world go by, for a surprisingly long time :) -- sannse 09:59 8 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Might be a good idea, haven't run across a non-boxing boxer yet (although there's still about a million to go <g>). - Hephaestos 18:02 26 Jun 2003 (UTC)

He's actually just a little fellah, very meek and mild. The shot is rather out of character .... but how could I resist using that one? Tannin

No need to say "sorry" for improving my user page. You're doing great work! :) Guaka 20:02 7 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Thanks Guaka :) -- sannse 09:59 8 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the edit taking out the external link on the list of children's literature authors page. Where do external links go? User:Nomdepomme

Hi Nomdepomme. We generally put external links in a section at the bottom of an article. See Wil Wheaton for example. We don't usually have an external links section on lists, but we might have one on the actual author article. But an article should never be just external links, we want to give information directly. I hope this is helpful, and welcome to Wikipedia. -- sannse 19:08 8 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I thought you might be interested in the opinion poll going on now at Talk:Clitoris. MB 18:00 9 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Thanks, on my way -- sannse 21:08 9 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Yes, that is the (pop punk page) version that was there to begin with (I think). I did not know about wiki until this week, so March is a good deal before that. That is my thinking. If you would help take the appropriate steps to delete everything cached past the March date, I'd appreciate it. I don't know how to do it and I don't want to get in trouble. Many thanks.User:Weezer76

If you could "delete the article and then replace the stub" or tell whomever it is that can take that route, I'd appreciate it. It looks to me like there was only one edit prior to the version that was there when I begun. And I can't tell that there is any difference in the single edit. Thanks a million. I have trouble with computers. User:Weezer76

(Conversation continued on user talk:Weezer76)

OK, you convinced me; I've requested admin status. After only 3 1/2 hours of thinking about it :) -- Jim Regan 22:27 10 Jul 2003 (UTC)

One of us! One of US! ;-) --mav

Oh dear... I forgot all about the cabal... :) -- Jim Regan

Not to mention that godawful movie. Thanks mav. :P - Hephaestos

Hey, it's a Simpsons quote too!

Movie? (If it's not a Python quote I usually miss it ;) -- sannse 09:28 11 Jul 2003 (UTC)

The Net. I'd write an article but I'm afraid it would be horribly POV. <g> - Hephaestos 17:36 11 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Ah. I've watched it - I guess it made the impression it deserved then ;) -- sannse

Sannse, I think you did a great job of neutralising the "List of dog breeds" introduction. It sounds just fine and absolutely NPOV now. Congratulations on a job well and economically done. Sorry I couldn't comment earlier. I haven't had time to look in here for close to two weeks. I hope you'll approve of the expanded list of external links. Ditkoofseppala 05:27 20 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Thanks! You've made some good additions to the list too - a couple of those were breeds I haven't come across yet, interesting :) And the expanded list of external links is a great idea - thanks for that. I've left a couple of comments on Talk:List of dog breeds. Regards -- sannse 10:10 20 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Sannse - Re your query about "mushing": it's not quite coterminous with "dogsled racing". It's a broader neologism roughly synonymous with "dog driving," which is the older and more correct term, which I still prefer but the rest of the world doesn't agree with me. Doglsed racing refers specifically to the use of teams of sleddogs in competitive races. There are hordes of sleddog owners out there (and I'm one of them) who train and drive sleddogs regularly but never enter a race.

I will one day soon try to get around to doing supportive/peripheral pages in this "dog breeds" field of interest to fill in a few of the red-links such as "mushing," "dogsled racing," "dog shows," etc. I'm just so distressed by the fact that most breeds, including some very popular ones, don't have their basic articles that I think I have to give priority to that job. Stubbing them is no answer; it only cloaks the fact that there is no real information available, making more rigourous checking necessary, so in fact it's counterproductive.

Don't be bothered by your "inelegant" sentence added to Am. Cocker article; I reviewed it and left it exactly as it was - could do no better myself. Our language is frequently inelegant - but just imagine if we spoke German! :-) Ditkoofseppala 19:43 21 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll leave the two links as they are rather than combining them.

Don't be disheartened by how much there is to do. Look how much has been done to the Wikipedia as a whole in just two and a half years! I'm a believer in the idea that stubs encourage improvement to articles more than empty links do - even if just because a new stub will show up on recent changes. The more active an area is the more likely other users will contribute to that area - any work you do doesn't just have a direct benefit but an indirect one too. So just enjoy doing what you want to do, and you will be surprised at how we can improve the section. -- sannse 19:56 21 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Oh, I love your positive attitude, wish I could be that way more often. But it's funny how differently things affect folks. To me, a red link is like a matador's cape to a bull, but a stub -- well, I never see it until I click on the link thinking it's a real article, and then the reaction is only great annoyance that it wasn't! Question of the individual's psychology, I guess. ;-) Ditkoofseppala 01:23 22 Jul 2003 (UTC)

heh! A positive depressive, there's a rarity ;) -- sannse 09:02 22 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Hi Sannse - I've just placed the Bernese Mountain Dog article, which I really did enjoy doing as I have owned three of them in the past; it probably shows in the article. Would you please do whatever you consider appropriate about the two alternative names; both of these are in common use internationally (Berner Sennenhund and Bouvier Bernois) unlike alternate names in some breeds. (I've seen in so many places names like "Arctic Husky" and "Siberian Chuchi" stuck on the Siberian Husky in books as alternatives, yet never heard one solitary soul use those names!) The whole question of breed names seems so involved and tricky in Wikipedia that I'm more than happy to leave them to you on the premise that if only one person edits that part of it, then at least the results will be consistent! (I hope I'm not leaving too much cleanup work for you in my wake.) Ditkoofseppala 02:52 22 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Done. Don't worry - I like this sort of fiddling :) -- sannse 09:02 22 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Wil Wheaton is awesome. I'd email him to say so, except he prefers encrypted mail and I can't figure out GnuPG for windows. Koyaanis Qatsi 23:58 23 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Ain't he just. I really enjoy his blog, the only one I read regularly. He comes across as such genuine guy and he writes really well. And I don't care, I still think Wesley was cool! -- sannse 20:59 24 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Wesley was cool. :-) And yes, he does strike me as sincere and down to earth. Koyaanis Qatsi

Hi it's me again (after a long time)

I am trying now to implement my experience in En:wiki to the newly born he:wiki.
Can you pl. guide me to the rule of linking to an article. e.g in the article Non-Euclidean geometry the term (and article) Euclidean geometry, is mentioned about 7 times but only in the first time there is a link to the article.
What are the guidelines (or what would you suggest to do)

-- Dod1 18:30 25 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Hi Dod1, good to see you back.

The general policy is to link relevant words just the first time they are mentioned (see the Manual of Style). The idea is to point people to articles they may find useful in the subject they are reading about - so we don't link every word, and we don't need lots of duplicate links in articles. Here's an example of a very over-linked article, I took out more than sixty links - which I think made the article much more readable and useful. Good luck with the Hebrew 'pedia :) Regards -- sannse 19:07 25 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Thank you again for the detailed answer.
I am going to read and translate some of the articles mentioned, so that the Hebrew Wiki's will be able to start with a manual based on your En. Experience.
I'll be in touch with further questions and updates. -- Dod1 03:49 26 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Hi Sannse. I just happened to click the whippet link and noticed the extensive "FAQ" section. I don't think this is an appropriate format for Wikipedia dog breeds articles at all; it's the kind of thing that belongs on a breed club website and would deserve, at the very most, an external link -- which I notice is also present. I would deal with it myself, but I notice the person who placed it is an active user apparently of long standing; I suspect that you probably have better knowledge of the history of all this than I do. So I thought I'd just call it to your attention and leave it up to you to decide, or at least discuss it together. I think it would be nice to try to maintain a certain amount of uniformity of format for the dog breed articles, recognising that there will be large differences in the amount of info available from breed to breed. Nonetheless I find an FAQ inappropriate and over the top. What's your opinion? (You can move this to the whippet talk page once you have it on your watchlist.) Ditkoofseppala 00:20 27 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Yes, I remember the article. The FAQ format isn't ideal, but there is lots of good information there. I think the best thing will be to incorporate the information into a more standard article. I'm sure Fantasy won't mind this at all - after all that's the Wiki-way! But first we need the copyright situation clarified. Fantasy was going to check this for the page, he had permission to use the FAQ, but that doesn't mean it's released under the GFDL as it needs to be for us to use it in an edited form. I'll drop him a note and see how he was getting on with getting this clarified. Once that's done we can see where to take the article next. -- sannse 19:37 27 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Hi Sannse, I answered you question on the talk:Whippet page, sorry for forgetting to add the OK :-) Fantasy 19:53 27 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Many thanks Fantasy :) I hope to play with the formatting later this week. Regards -- sannse

(I'm sure I've already said that somewhere but can't remember - I'm a bit looped this week, sorry!)

Hi Sannse! Take a look at the *beautiful* photo that was provided to Wiki by the Shiloh Shepherd Dog Club's webmaster by request of Tina Barber. What a lovely hunk of dog. Good photos sure do dress up these dog articles and it's a case where the photo is really essential, because no verbal description accurately conjures the right mental image. I've added a snapshot of mine to the Bernese Mountain Dog page, just until somebody can come up with something better. I think as I get time I may ask breed club people to provide photos. It may really be the only sure way to get what we need. Ditkoofseppala 20:40, 29 Jul 2003 (UTC)

That's a wonderful photo, it really illustrates the breed well. Approaching breed associations is a good way of getting images I think, although we do need to be careful about the copyright issue. We can use images on a "with permission" basis, but better is to get the photo owner to release it into the public domain or under the GDFL - that way there are no copyright issues down-line. You probably know all this anyway - but I worry that we will have future problems with images on the 'pedia so wanted to state the obvious again :)

On another subject - what do you think about the captions on the photos I've added? (Rottweiler for example). I'm not sure whether adding the dogs name is an interesting and helpful thing to do, or if it is non-encyclopaedic and should be avoided. Either way I will keep adding the information to the image page, but I'm not sure about having it in the actual articles. What do you think? -- sannse 18:45, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I just wanted to inform you that there is an actual vote going on at VfD regarding Daniel C. Boyer. MB 19:49, Jul 30, 2003 (UTC)

In general, editing other people's comments on Talk pages is not a good thing, even trivial grammatical or wikification things. OTOH, for my own Talk page, I don't care. --Tb 23:13, 31 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Hi Tb. In general I agree, but linking to disambiguation pages is also not a good thing and I like to keep my pet disambiguation pages as clear as possible. I never change the text of course - just the target of the link, and so far this seems to have been OK with everyone. Regards -- sannse 10:40, 1 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Hi, I've redeleted Zionist entity. The page was originally created by User:Palestine liberator who then redirected Israel to the page. I reverted the revertion and then deleted the page, as it was not any serious article just a bit of naked POV vandalism. I then left a strong note on his page warning him that such behaviour is utterly contrary to wiki's NPOV rules and that any such redirections, whether anti-Israeli, anti-Palestinian, or anti-anyone else would not be tolerated. He then recreated the page as a home for more POV anti-Israeli rants.

It is ironic that I am now defending Israel as two weeks ago I was being accused by RK of being anti-Israeli and anti-semite. (But then I have been called a British Tory AND an Brit-hating Irish republican, and was called an Australian monarchist and an Australian republican on the one day for the same edit. I guess that must mean I am somewhat neutral in these things, which annoys the fanatics on all sides. If you disagree with the Zionist Entity deletion please let me know and I'll undelete it and put in back on the VfD page, but given that it was just the same user engaged in extreme POV-bashing and not an attempt at a serious article, I thought it fitted the category of a 'delete on sight' bit of vandalism that was needlessly taking up space on an already 51K VfD page. lol FearÉIREANN 15:01, 2 Aug 2003 (UTC)

That's absolutely fine with me. I really should have been bold and deleted it myself but I tend to be cautious in deleting anything other than the really random junk. You are right - this was just POV-bashing and I'm glad to see it gone. -- sannse 15:12, 2 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I re-uploaded the Justinian I picture...what happened to it? I didn't see anything, I'm editing the Justinian article at the moment :) Adam Bishop 19:35, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Ah, yes, I didn't notice the similar file names until I had already uploaded the second one...I should have renamed mine, but oh well :) Adam Bishop 20:11, 21 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Hi, Chinese character pictures typed as text @ User_talk:Menchi#Request for Chinese characters. --Menchi 21:15, Aug 26, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks Menchi :) -- sannse

Thanks for help with links - I'll have to look more closely at 'disambiguation'. Mahaabaala 11:34, 1 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Disambiguation can be a bit complicated at times... but don't worry about it too much, these things get sorted in the end :) Just ask if you need a hand at any time. Regards -- sannse 17:23, 1 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Are you sure about that reversion of Yakov Smirnoff? The content seemed OK, at least until we get more about him... Evercat 19:43, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Ugg, appologies, I guess I'm too tired tonight and too quick on the revert button. Time for a sleep I think -- sannse 19:51, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Hi, Sannse!

This is Michael Reiter. I just looked at the article again(10-08-03, 10:45 CST in Saskatoon, SK, Canada) and it seems to be just fine on my end. I could try re-uploading again.

(Reply at User talk:Michael Reiter)

Still!?!?! Okay, let me know, Sannse.

J. Michael Reiter jmr

Sannse? Michael Reiter again. I just reuploaded a better copy of the picture you told me was on the fritz. Hope this one works out better...

Hi Michael, your new version didn't work, it seems it's a browser issue - Internet Explorer has problems displaying pngs. I've switched over to Dori's Jpg which solves the problem nicely :) -- sannse 20:24, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Sannse, if you are still interested in getting a copy of Rob's robot (now a registered user under the name Robbot), please send me an email at the address "engelsAG at t-online.de", so I know where to send it. Andre Engels 07:34, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Thanks Andre, I'll be in touch over the next couple of days -- sannse 20:24, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I like those colour blocks of yours in Pentomino. :-) --Menchi 11:36, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Thanks :) Though I have to give credit to Karen Johnson for the first diagram, I just did a tidy and converted it to .png -- sannse 13:31, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

You're too humble. You re-draw Image:Pentonimos.jpg again yourself, rendering it in your version! I thought you mean you just resized it or something. :-) I think even just filling in the colour is big contribution by itself! Not many peole are un-lazy enough to open up a graphic program, open the image, work, save, upload, caption.... (Looking at myself) --Menchi 13:35, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

:) *blush*. Now to be un-lazy enough to upload all those dog photos I've taken ;) -- sannse 13:58, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Woops, my apologies about Wirehaired Pointing Griffon. I guess I must have registered that the change was being made in the other direction. Next time, just be bold and revert my edit. (BTW, I reverted myself) --snoyes 23:29, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I like the photo of the butterfly on your page. Did you take it? You seem to be a very gifted photographer. Alexandros 00:51, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Thanks! Yes, I took it, but I'm just a beginner. I learnt a lot taking all those dog photos - next time they should be better (gotta watch those shadows!). I've been using a borrowed camera but I bought one of my own yesterday. So hopefully there will be lots more pictures to come :) -- sannse 00:58, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Thank you for your input about my response to the nomination/name change results and procedures. Please do not take my comments personally. They were not directed at any one individual; nor were they intended to apply to all those that wanted me to change my name. They refer more to a general tendency that I have noticed during my time here at WP. When I compare the peer review process here to the peer review process in academia, I notice an important difference. In academic circles there is an understanding that the basis of any review process is solid logical reasoning backed up by ample empirical data. The WP review process seems to be closer to "this is my opinion and because this is a democracy my opinion is just as good as anyone elses, irrespective of any evidence given". The structuring of the VFD page is a good example of how this culture has permeated WP. People vote with a single word, or at most a sentence. Rarely do you see a well reasonsed argument why they voted the way they did. One draws the same conclusions looking through most of the talk pages. Most of the edit wars that waste so much of contributors' time result from the internalization of this epistimological criterion. This "one-person-one-vote" review process seems to attract trolls that are out to further their cause. I drew, what I thought was a reasonable conclusion that some (or even many) of the people that wanted me to change my name were acting out of teleological aspirations rather than a deeply felt sense of offense. Of course, I cannot see inside their psyche so I will never know their actual mix of motivations. I am sorry that you thought I was directing my comments specificly at you. That was not my intention (unless of course they do apply to you in which case I am aiming them directly at you). mydogategodshat 06:41, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)

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Thanks for solving my ambiguating word dutch ;) -- TheSpecialist 12:25, 02 Dec 2003 (UTC)

No problem :) -- sannse 00:22, 3 Dec 2003 (UTC)

English studies moved to User talk:Rbellin

"English language". Thanks Doidimais Brasil 18:34, Dec 20, 2003 (UTC)

Thanks, I've changed the links as needed -- sannse 19:42, 20 Dec 2003 (UTC)

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