Category talk:People stubs

Initial subcategorization thoughts

For anyone keeping an eye on the people stub category, I'm not bothering to sort them into the sub-categories. --Allyunion 23:52, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The whole point of the people stubs category is to point out articles that need attention, including adding them to other appropriate categories, so I think this is OK. I created the writer stubs category before the people stubs category. That one is really to point out writers already in a writers category but with incomplete information in their article. I think it would be a mistake to make other subcategories of people stubs unless other categories of people need specific information collected about them. --ssd 04:36, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Although this may be true, this stub category has quickly grown a little over 200 articles since I've been moving them from stub to bio-stub. I think 500 is a limit for a category... but I'm not sure. --Allyunion 01:07, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I don't believe there are any limits for categories at this time, but after about 4000, my browser starts slowing down, so that's plenty. --ssd 03:28, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Just saying... when you see it go to a thousand, it's time to sort it into subcategories. -- Allyunion 11:37, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I'll agree with that, but I'd hope it'd never reach 1000, 'cuz people would write non-stub biographies of them first. A vain hope, I'm sure. --ssd 14:53, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

UK politicians stub

Given the chaos, as a starter can I suggest a "UK politicians stub" to cover many of the stubs I've recently created? Others can naturally arise as well. Timrollpickering 21:30, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I would say that this category is now quite definitely large enough for more subcategories. -Aranel ("Sarah") 00:45, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

SQL query for counting

The query that can be used to update the table is at meta:Requests for queries#Count_articles_in_en:Category:People_stubs. --Joy [shallot] 18:40, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

"Link the article from the appropriate List of people by name"

The item

Link the article from the appropriate List of people by name.

is welcomed by this harmless drudge who can frequently be found laboring among the hundreds of pages of the LoPbN tree. I defer to your project participants to decide what improvements to that item would be valuable without being intimidating, and welcome the influx of entries in any case. For your consideration: if i thot that it would be difficult to say too much, i'd make it read

• Link via Template:List of people by name exhaustive page-index (sectioned) to the page of the List of people by name tree for the person's surname, and add an entry with
  • a [[John Doe|Doe, John]]-style link to the bio article,
  • a birth or death date (or the birth-to-death range, of course), or at least a decade or century in which they "fl.ourished",
  • their nationality, and
  • the principle occupation they are known for
  • (but no links other than the one already mentioned).

It's proabably too much to say on the Cat page, but writing a good LoPbN entry requires a special state of mind, putting yourself in the position of its user, who is not going to be browsing the list looking for interesting people: they have a person in mind, but are not sure of the exact name, and are using the approximate name to get to the right entry, merely as a step toward getting to the thorough (or hopefully soon to be so) bio article. Once in while they are vague enough about the name (or the name is common enough) that the time period, nationality, and very brief basis for notability may be helpful in identifying the right link, but generally anything more is clutter that makes it harder to quickly assimilate the bare-bones information. It would a rare bio-subject for whom the second adjective (verbs are out of the question) included in the "occupation known for" would benefit the process of navigation instead of obstructing it.
--Jerzy·t 07:43, 2005 August 3 (UTC)

Buckets for counts

Thw stub types list uses buckets for counting number of stub articles. eg:

<10, <25, <50, <100, <200, etc

Would something like this be useful for the counts at the top of this category? I imagine it would make the count box wider but it would probably increase the readability of it. --TheParanoidOne 05:33, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Romans

What do we do with them? Politicians? Italians? Should a new category be created? Roman-bio-stub?

{{roman-stub}}? --TheParanoidOne 18:44, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

I like the idea, but it appears the appropriate place to discuss this would be at [1]. (also, a new name would be needed, probably roman-bio-stub. Roman-stub is in use.) BrainyBroad 00:32, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Category depopulation

Featuring this category for a cleanup project has paid off. A rough count shows less than 550 articles remaining in "bio-stub". Any objections to removing the "Overpopulated Category" notice? BrainyBroad 00:37, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Only 4 pages. Wow. I remember it being close to 80 pages at one time. Anyway, yes. I reckon the {{verylarge}} is no longer relevant, so I got rid of it.--TheParanoidOne 05:09, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, who did that? :) --Joy [shallot] 09:13, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Pixies ... or aliens :) --TheParanoidOne 20:30, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Depopulation of the 15,800-odd left after C:Stub was done
Letter	A	B	C	D	E	F	G	H	I	J	K	L	M	N	O	P	Q	R	S	T	U	V	W	X	Y	Z
June 2 count	890	651	883	836	722	541	729	757	268	2017	521	394	1290	387	175	724	10	1001	1037	708	54	251	663	21	207	64
September 28 count	3	2	0	1	4	1	1	4	1	4	6	1	22	11	3	30	0	43	56	30	0 (10)	6	14	0	2	1

Change template wording?

I propose changing the wording of the bio-stub template to

 This biographical article is a stub. You can help by expanding it. 
 (Please consider changing this to a more specific stub.)

Hopefully it would be one weapon in keeping the population down. (And if anyone can tell me how to link to a non-article page without resorting to an external link, I'd appreciate it!) BrainyBroad 05:11, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

A similar note had been added to Template:Stub but it was removed as a needless self-reference. This is the same discussion, it should be resolved jointly. --Joy [shallot] 09:14, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

OBIT-STUB ?

I would like to create some articles based on published obituaries of notable people who do not yet have main articles. To do this I would include the facts from the obituary along with a citation and tag it as {{obit-stub}}. This would make it similar (and related) to a bio-stub needing development, merging or removal just like any other stub article. In fact I would suggest that most obit-stubs would probably change next to bio-stubs as their content progressed.

Questions I have:

• 1. Has this been tried before and if so can you point me to the history?
• 2. What is the best way to officially create the "obit-stub" related categories/templates/etc?

Comments? Questions? Low Sea (talk) 18:46, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Size of this category

Above, sections 1 3 5 and 7 concern the size of the category. Sections 1 and 7 provide some data from 2004 and 2005.

Five years later, there are 963 pages in this category. There are 2 subcategories with 64 sub-subcategories.

► People stubs by nationality (8 C)

► People stubs by occupation (56 C)

Two levels below the former, US and Canada people stub categories contain more than 1000 and 600 pages beside dozens of their own subcategories. One level below the latter, Medical biography stubs contains 629 pages beside 12 subcategories.

--P64 (talk) 16:36, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Having only recently realised that there were a significant number of articles in this category, I've been working away on them, sorting them into narrower stub types and sometimes following up on other problems.

• Picked my favourite initial in the sort order and worked on those ones;
• looked for those which obviously needed a {{DEFAULTSORT}} because they were filed wrongly in the category;
• looked at all those with a disambiguator in brackets, because I'm a bit obsessed with checking that "Foo (something)" is findable from "Foo";
• did a few litle runs with AWB to pick off bishops, saints, footballers, the Irish, as groups who seemed well represented and were easier to work on together;
• picked off the single-word names;
• worked through another few sections of the alphabet.

Today there are 435 items in the category; none starting with initials after M except W. I'll carry on with the stub-sorting, though need to put more time into some Real Life things first.

I'd like to get the category empty and watch how it gets replenished: I've seen a tiny trickle of manual additions while working on it; some are given {{bio-stub}} when being moved from AfC; a bot has checked a lot of {{stub}}-tagged articles and worked out that they are biographical, sometimes running just after an editor has done a mass stub-tagging project. I'll see what happens. PamD 13:53, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

• The category is now empty. I've sorted a lot of stubs in the last month. A small trickle are coming in, mostly from AfC. PamD 12:32, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

MoohanBOT updated logic

I've just updated the logic for Task 2 of MoohanBOT. Basically it should now pick up a lot more biography articles from CAT:STUBS and put them in Category:People stubs. It now looks at the infobox in-use on the page and if it is a person infobox (i.e. it is in Category:People infobox templates) it will change the stub tag. Hopefully there won't be any problems but if you notice any false positives/pages in the wrong place please let me know. Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 17:21, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 November 2014

Add {{Random page in category}} above the TOC.  _{JackOliverNSW  talk}  22:59, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Done Stickee (talk) 04:45, 10 November 2014 (UTC)