User talk:Jerzy/Archive 03

Whining

Please see my comment at Wikipedia:Cleanup#January 31. RickK 02:19, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Actually, don't. I've moved it here... Angela . 03:43, Feb 9, 2004 (UTC)

The Moved ~~VfD~~ CU Material follows, as part of the "Whining" section

[Belated correction of slip of the pen by Jerzy (t) 06:00, 2004 Jul 16 (UTC)]

Velvet Revolver - reads like an article created by banned User Michael - Info seems correct [1][2] Mrdice 17:24, 2004 Jan 31 (UTC)

Not the point. Hard banned users are to have all of their input deleted on sight. RickK 19:58, 31 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Really? Surely the point is content? Flobster
- No, enforcing a ban and not encouraging them is the point. Most of Michael's edits contain factual inaccuracies anyway. Angela .
- See User:Michael: This user is under a hard ban - see User Talk:Michael/ban for details. All edits by this user will be reverted. Please do not reinstate any edits made by this user. RickK 00:14, 8 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- Normally the point is content, but i for one have no problem trusting the sysops and Jimbo's judgement that this is an abnormal case where the disincentive given a vandal is more important that speeding up the improvement of a few articles, or avoiding frustration for a few editors who get caught in the crunch. --Jerzy 02:04, 2004 Feb 8 (UTC)
What i have written just above notwithstanding, i am flabbergasted and embarrassed that those who are pointing out the hard-ban can't give a more coherant defense of the policy. If nothing else, start out by pointing out Jimbo's EMail instead of making us wade thru the heated rhetoric to its link. People should stop editing the Michael-IDed stuff, and stop whining about it. But someone better informed than i should do more to relieve the impetus to whine. --Jerzy 02:04, 2004 Feb 8 (UTC)
- Excuse me? I lsited this here because I wasn't sure that the anon creator was Michael. If I had been sure, I would have deleted it on sight. I was giving the article and the author the benefit of the doubt. Pardon me for trying to avoid getting my head snapped off for a quick delete. Instead, I get it snapped off for not doing a quick delete. I just can't win, can I? Whine, indeed. RickK 02:18, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
My first order of business is apologizing to RickK; the following is what would have been at this point on the Cleanup page if Angela hadn't Edit-Conflicted me by moving it first, just as i tried to add it there:
- For the benefit of anyone who thought i was describing RickK as one of those who have whined, i make public my apology. I was careless in making the above comment here, rather than under one of the several other items in the last week or so that concerned the ban on Michael. I certainly should not have put my comment right after one of his, on any item where his name is so prominently posted. I should have dug up a different one, where there was extensive "whining" by people who wanted to edit an apparent Michael article, or not to have their baby (their already posted edits) thrown out with Michael's bathwater. I think RickK behaved admirably with regard to this article, and that his reasoning for listing it here rather than VfD is fine. --Jerzy 04:03, 2004 Feb 9 (UTC)
Cleanup is not the place to be asking for a defense of the banning policy. Please read Wikipedia:Bans and blocks and then ask on the talk page if you still need further information. Also, Rick did provide you with a link to Jimbo's email. He linked to User:Michael and User Talk:Michael/ban, both of which contain the link to the email. Angela . 03:43, Feb 9, 2004 (UTC)

The Moved ~~VfD~~ CU Material Ends Here, and the "Whining" section continues:

[Belated correction of slip of the pen by Jerzy (t) 06:00, 2004 Jul 16 (UTC)]

Ooops. Sorry for the edit conflict. :) Angela . 03:57, Feb 9, 2004 (UTC)

It's because I had a broken header on my talk page. It said ==Meta===, which is half recognised as a header and messes up all sections after it. Angela . 04:13, Feb 9, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, Jerzy, I appreciate your comments. RickK 04:25, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Copyvio

At the moment, getting an email from the person involved attesting that they own the copyright in question is generally enough to clear things up. In an ideal situation we'd require an official, signed letter stating that fact, but we just have to do with what we have. Go ahead and re-integrate it. It might be worth stating that you received an email from said owner of website on the talk page to preemp any future concerns. - snoyes 04:04, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)

You're probably right re: the revert/edit distinction. I'll keep that in mind. - snoyes 04:21, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)

VfD move

Moving long discussions to the talk page of an article and retaining a link in page is well established process on VfD. Please don't re-add the discussion again, it increases the likelihood of edit conflicts.—Eloquence 09:58, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)

N-CONUS

I don't recall weather I came with non-continental on my own, or if it is an actual term. I wrote that bit when I was doing a internship and Hughes Network Systems (makers of DirecTV), and they used terms like CONUS (continental united states) and other such terms often. So I either pocked it up from them, or deduced it logically on my own. Which I am not sure, but it is cetainly valid in my opinion. { MB | マイカル } 04:01, Feb 20, 2004 (UTC)

Paczki

Hi Jerzy, the talk pages are sorted out now too. Thanks for explaining the move this page feature to GusGus. Unfortunately, there is no automated way of finding these things, so it relies on people spotting it in recent changes and sorting the problem out before the page histories diverge from each other and become unmergeable. Thanks for noticing it so quickly. By the way, your talk page is 56kb, so you should think about archiving it. Angela . 20:31, Feb 25, 2004 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for the "move this page" info. You folks are a lot nicer than I expected! &mdash GusGus 21:09, 2004 Feb 25 (UTC)

Cleanup

Cleanup Sigs

Thanks for reminding me about the proper way to list something on cleanup. I had read it but I'm just so used to signing by writing ~~~~ that I forgot to write ~~~ instead. I think I'll keep the name because I've been using it on the internet for years. Saul Taylor 03:05, 27 Feb 2004 (UTC) (Or should that be Saul Taylor).

Cleanup Doubling

I don't know what to say. I'm very sorry. I remember this happening on the 15th, but I assumed it was just an error, and when it didn't repeat itself, I let it go. I'll go to the pump right away--in fact, I might need your help to figure this out. If so, I'll let you know. Again, I apologize. Thanks for assuming good faith--I assure you, this is not something I'm doing. Embarassed, Meelar 06:27, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

P.S. I'm using IE 6.0, if that helps any. P.P.S. I had no idea this had happened again, or I would have done something. I'm mortified.

I just asked Uncle Ed on his talk page. Hopefully, he'll get back to me.

Meelar 22:19, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Vote Clarification

I have clarified my vote on the new VfD layout per your request. I am for neither layout. Thanks for the heads up. :) --Flockmeal 20:14, Mar 4, 2004 (UTC)

Diode bridge diagram

Hi Jerzy, glad to help. Take a look at Image:Diodebridge1.png and see if you think that's close to what you had in mind. Let me know if you want it modified in any way (size, etc.) I can base the others off it if you like it. -- DrBob 18:08, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Hey again. Good eyes on the connection dots; I've updated the Image:Diodebridge4.png with a new version. -- DrBob 16:02, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)

VfD

Hi, thanks for your work on VfD, but please could you put it in a separate page. VfD was 110kb today so there really isn't room for all that additional text. It's been moved to the talk page for now, but maybe a separate Wikipedia:VfD instructions page would be better. Angela . 14:19, Mar 6, 2004 (UTC)

Sigs

Yes, it is documented at m:MediaWiki User's Guide: Setting preferences. I think it was Dori's idea originally. Angela . 15:47, Mar 6, 2004 (UTC)

Mislead

What is wrong with it? It seems a sensible redirect to me. If you feel it's not, please list it on WP:RfD. Thanks. Angela . 23:32, Mar 9, 2004 (UTC)

I don't know of any policy of deleting verbs. Perhaps you should ask Patrick as he is the person who created it. I have no strong opinion on keeping or deleting it. Angela . 00:14, Mar 10, 2004 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Sandbox

Like many pages in the mediawiki namespace, Template:Sandbox is protected as it is likely to attract a lot of vandalism. It isn't a message that needs to be changed often, so I thought the protection would not cause as much disruption as the vandalism of it might. If you want any changes made to it, you can suggest them at MediaWiki talk:Sandbox. Angela . 00:53, Mar 27, 2004 (UTC)

List of people by name: Nf-Nh etc deleted as per your request. Angela . 18:53, Mar 31, 2004 (UTC)

Talking dirty

Blowing Rock (sex)

Regarding the article Blowing rock (sex), I wonder if your memory of Airplane! might be somewhat rusty (or perhaps based on a translation of the film into another language)? In the film, the autopilot (which is not "legless", as its legs can be seen when it's out of its seat) is named "Otto", not "Rock", and even has a joke listing in the credits. The instruction to reinflate Otto doesn't come from Ted Striker, but rather from McCrosky, played by Lloyd Bridges. And there isn't any line about "blowing rock". From the transcript, the specific exchange mentioned in Blowing rock (sex) actually goes like this:

Elaine  : 35,000 feet.  NO wait, 34,000 feet . . . NO WAIT,
	  its dropping.  Its dropping fast, why's it doing 
	  that?  Oh my god, the automatic pilot, its 
	  deflating.
MCrosky : Don't panic, on the belt line of the automatic pilot
	  there's a tube, now that is the manual inflation 
	  nozzle.  Take it out and blow on it.
Passngr : What the hell's going on up there?

--Arteitle 05:29, Apr 1, 2004 (UTC)

Urolagnia

I've restored some of the text. See my comments in Talk:Urolagnia. I think your edits were reasonable for safety given a lack of information, but I can vouch for the correctness of the text. - UtherSRG 14:36, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Sysop help available

(response to note on User talk:Paul A)

Here I am. What's up? --Paul A 03:56, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Not that I'm aware of. (I have to admit, though, that I've tried to avoid having anything to do with the user-login side of sysop-ing.) What is it you're actually trying to achieve? --Paul A 04:14, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Sorry for leaving you hanging like that. My 'net connection cut out, then I got called away to do something else. I can't think of anything to add to Tim Starling's contribution, anyway. (On my talk page, if you haven't spotted it yet.) --Paul A 12:11, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Re: Were

I see, now. I guess I didn't follow the grammar of your sentence. You comments were apt. I deleted my comments, but left the quotation.

Thanks for noticing that I replied.

Best wishes, --Wighson
05:12, 2004 Apr 5 (UTC)

Re: Cleanup

I think that the merging of headings is still essential and valuable work, if just to keep the TOC short enough to be useful. - SimonP 21:07, Apr 5, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks [re broken heading, probably on VfD]

I couldn't figure out what was wrong with that page. Thanks for the fix. - Tεx τ urε 02:51, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hi back

Thanks for the greeting! Guido 07:31, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Steadicam

Re Steadicam

I reverted your revert where you removed the link which you described as an add. The page describes to build a steadicam which is obviously relevant. It was featured on Slashdot. Just because the guy also sells them doesn't make the page worthless and only an add. The $14 refered to the cost of materials when you do it yourself, btw, and not the price of a video that gives instruction of how to build a steadicam, which is sort of what it looked like.

CGS 18:48, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)

A reversion regarding time zones

Hey. Sorry to hinder anything, but I was just doing the RC watch seeing all the anonymous contributions, saw this one, and it looked like a random anon trying to reformat the page and not doing a particularly good job. (There are dozens of those daily... most of them have no clue what the Manual of Style is... :) Additionally, I thought it looked slightly better the old way. If, in fact, the edits were useful, I'm sorry... Apart from that, I don't take particular interest in the matter. - Fennec 01:30, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Angela & Angela

I wouldn't worry about it too much. There are various bugs with {{msg}}s at the moment, and sometimes they show old content that shouldn't be there. They are expected to be fixed in the new release of MediaWiki though. Angela . 01:27, Apr 15, 2004 (UTC)

Sorry for not replying sooner. I think Wikipedia:Peer review's a good place for it, though WP:RFC or Wikipedia:Cleanup might have done as well. Angela . 15:52, Apr 21, 2004 (UTC)

==West Papua Maps, tar==

I just wanted to say THANKS for the pointer for some Indonesian maps with their silly province borders show. When I have time I'll produce something I can put on Wikipedia from them :)Daeron 19:27, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)

While i did some editing that related to that place (or the location, somewhere adjacent, of the highest mtn described as in Oceania), and i remember trying to interpret some maps in that context,

it must have been months ago,
i know what .tar is , but have never had access to means of manipulating .tar files that i can recall,
i don't recall whether the maps were in the article i edited; if not, i simply found either them elsewhere on WP or via Google, and deserve no credit, and
if you are suggesting i expressed some opinion about political boundaries, i'm pretty sure you're mistaken.

Are you sure you meant to leave that paragraph here?

--Jerzy (t) 03:27, 2004 Apr 26 (UTC)

Sorry for the language difficulty ;-)
It was months ago Dec9, on Talk:West_Papua
"tar" is an Australian term meaning "Thank You" or "Thanks"
You pointed to a URL (web page), since removed. But I've still been able to access the map in question, so Thank you for pointing to where it was, I would not have known of it without the message posted on the West Papua page.
I said "silly province borders" only because I've been unable to find such a map for so long (first looked for them years ago).
The right "Jerzy"? I don't know, the person used that name and you looked settled in so I thought there was a good chance that it was yourself that had both the good luck of finding the map, and the courtesy to mention it on the West Papua page.
P.S. Tar files are a Unix thing, yes anything ending in .tar .tar.gz .tgz .tar.gz .tar.bz2 should be a tar or compressed tar file. If you have problems with one I can convert it to a Dos/Windows zip file or the like if you like. No problems.
Daeron 05:44, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

West Papua Maps, tar

I just wanted to say THANKS for the pointer for some Indonesian maps with their silly province borders show. When I have time I'll produce something I can put on Wikipedia from them :)Daeron 19:27, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)

While i did some editing that related to that place (or the location, somewhere adjacent, of the highest mtn described as in Oceania), and i remember trying to interpret some maps in that context,

it must have been months ago,
i know what .tar is , but have never had access to means of manipulating .tar files that i can recall,
i don't recall whether the maps were in the article i edited; if not, i simply found either them elsewhere on WP or via Google, and deserve no credit, and
if you are suggesting i expressed some opinion about political boundaries, i'm pretty sure you're mistaken.

Are you sure you meant to leave that paragraph here?

--Jerzy (t) 03:27, 2004 Apr 26 (UTC)

Sorry for the language difficulty ;-)
It was months ago Dec9, on Talk:West_Papua
"tar" is an Australian term meaning "Thank You" or "Thanks"
You pointed to a URL (web page), since removed. But I've still been able to access the map in question, so Thank you for pointing to where it was, I would not have known of it without the message posted on the West Papua page.
I said "silly province borders" only because I've been unable to find such a map for so long (first looked for them years ago).
The right "Jerzy"? I don't know, the person used that name and you looked settled in so I thought there was a good chance that it was yourself that had both the good luck of finding the map, and the courtesy to mention it on the West Papua page.
P.S. Tar files are a Unix thing, yes anything ending in .tar .tar.gz .tgz .tar.gz .tar.bz2 should be a tar or compressed tar file. If you have problems with one I can convert it to a Dos/Windows zip file or the like if you like. No problems.
Daeron 05:44, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

[Cleanup needing cleanup]

Nice work listing Wikipedia:Cleanup on itself. Made me chuckle, and sadly it has a lot of truth to it. The thing has grown out of control. --Ed Cormany 05:03, 13 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Interstates

Hello,

I noticed that you are a contributor to US road pages. I noticed that pages about interstates have a heading called 'Number of miles'. I want these pages to have metric equivalents and that heading does not make sense with km. It should be something like 'Distance' or 'Length'. I notice that there are a *lot* of road pages and they are very non-metric. Is there a place to discuss the issue of standard headings etc?
Bobblewik 18:58, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Apologies for writing on your 'user' page rather than your 'talk' page. I took your advice about looking at projects and the closest that I could find was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Highways

So I posted my question there. Does that seem to you to be the best place?

Thanks.
Bobblewik 19:01, 20 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Dice

I knew there was a direction specified, and the dice I checked at the time had 1-2-3 in clockwise direction. Now I checked my backgammon dice (of 3 makes) and they all have 1-2-3 in counter-clockwise direction, so I think we can safely assume that counter-clockwise is correct. Zocky 11:29, 22 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Noah's Ark

Looks like a simple case of vandalism. Just revert it and keep an eye on it. Rick K 03:35, 27 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

[Deleted at this point: identical copy hdg and text just above, except date is instead 03:32, 27 May 2004 (UTC).
--Jerzy (t) 06:25, 2004 Aug 13 (UTC)

Doogan

Someone made a mess by moving the Sandbox, I tried to fix it. If you had the sandbox in your watchlist, you got the page where it got moved as well. No bug there. Dori | Talk 17:05, May 27, 2004 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry

IASO

Hi Jerzy, someone recently used IASO as an abbreviation for "is a sockpuppet of". I wouldn't be surprised if it means something else too. 8^) Hope that helps, Wile E. Heresiarch 19:08, 27 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Sock-puppet exposures

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Thanks for your comments on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Clan of the Dead Goat Gunshop. I've replied. Andrewa 14:10, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Replied again, and also fixed the problem, thank you. Andrewa 01:38, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Hawaii

[Re Languages]

Hi Jerzy, got your message re reversion. =)

Definitely, I don't mind the (re)change and I am not one to "write for the enemy." I like the "just the facts" attitude and feel like I have tried to do that here (although it is very tempting to assert one's opinions in Wiki, that wouldn't be conducive to a good encyclopedia).

Just as a background and given only in the spirit of information-sharing, the two changes I made are both in regards to the Hawaiian pidgin language (also Hawaiian Creole English), I believe. The majority of Filipinos who migrated to Hawaii from the early 20th century up to now are Ilocanos for primarily economic reasons (early Dole pineapple plantation politics), constituting up to 80% of the current Filipino population in Hawaii and according to the current census, making Ilocano the top ESL needing teachers in Hawaii. In linguistic terms, I made the changes because the term "Filipino" actually is a recent phenomenon. It is a "new" language invented based on Tagalog, the language of the Philippine capital. This is layered with politics, but in the context of Hawaiian Creole as an article on a distinct language in Wikipedia, "Filipino" would not have much of an impact historically and linguistically to the development of the language, one that spread across the Hawaiian population in the early 20th century.

The following site actually mentions Ilocano as a substrate to pidgin, as well as, Tagalog:

http://www.hku.hk/linguist/program/contact6.html

That was my main reason for changing the words. I'm a scientist and a writer by profession and hobby, and so I offer factual articles in Wiki with as clean (English), as unbiased and as scientific as I can get them. Didn't mean to step on anyone's toes. =) I just knew I shouldn't have ventured to Hawaii! --Oavcacananta 08:25, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)

[Re "Discovered"

No problem your change my "discovered" to "interaction" on the Hawai'i page. I never did like that "discovered" concept, which is why I stated it as a mutual thing; but your wording is even better - Marshman 02:14, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Hawai‘i

Jerzy, what has happened to you? You came here with such an open mind and tremendous promise as an editor and administrator. You've turned into a "jerk"—I apologize, I do not like to call people names, but your actions on the Hawaii pages are certainly bordering on that. Your only argument seems to be that "Hawaii" is (in your mind) the correct English spelling; despite the many arguments that have been pointed out to you on the Talk:Hawaii page that dispute that. Not wanting to expand your mind, you just go in and delete everything that a lot of good people have spent their valuable time making (in their POV, yes) correct. Does it not occur to you to consider that there might well be lots of persons in Hawai‘i and elsewhere who are English speakers and use Hawai‘i, not Hawaii? Is such arrogance as you are clearly displaying what you want to project as an admin? - Marshman 20:39, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Michael Johns

[Re Reversion]

Always happy to discuss; not sure what you want to discuss here, though. The edit I made restored an edit which had been reverted on suspicion of being made by hard-banned user Michael (which, in my view, it almost certainly was not). It moved a link to Soviet Union to the right place, it clarified a link to federal government of the United States (don't see much need to shorten it to "federal", though it's a minor point, admittedly, and I wouldn't mind if you changed that back) and removed a notice that it was listed on Wikipedia:Cleanup (because it isn't listed there at all). Have I missed something? --Camembert

Hi Jerzy - absolutely no need for you to apologise--you've been perfectly polite and I really appreciate you taking the time to explain the situation. I apologise myself if I came across as a little brusque - I was editing rather late last night and may not have been at my best.

The only reason I (re-)reverted Guanaco's edit was because he was chasing down edits by Michael (whose edits, as you may know, are generally reverted on sight) but was also reverting some other people's edits by mistake, including some rather useful ones--this one appeared to be one of those. The problem is that Michael uses AOL, but lots of other people also use AOL, so just because such-and-such an IP address is being used by Michael now doesn't mean that all other edits from that address in the past were also by Michael--they could have been by thousands of different people.

In this particular case, I noticed the Soviet Union link had been moved further up the article (which I knew was good) and that the Cleanup notice had been removed (which appeared to be good, though I realise now there was more to it than there seemed)--the "federal" edit seemed about 50/50, so I reverted back on the assumption that the edit did more good than harm. If I'd had a bit more time, I would have looked into the Cleanup situation a little more deeply, but I was in a bit of a rush.

As for what to do now: your plan seems perfectly reasonable to me, and I'm going to make the edits you suggest (do take a look to make sure I've done what you intended). Thanks again for explaining, and good luck in keeping the article in good shape. All the best--Camembert

[ Re Finishing Cleanup ]

Hi, Jerzy: Regarding Michael Johns, I have done some work on this (and many other wikepedia articles) over the past few months, and--based on your comments, I made some further revisions to it. I think it is in reasonable, even good shape. Maybe you have a wikipedia colleague who could look it over one final time in the event I've missed anything, but the Bush issue is now clearly addressed and the article is pretty much void of POV. Would appreciate if you would accept my decision to thus remove it from cleanup status. Thanks. --Rob.

Noun

Nice point on noun, but I get suspicious of words which end with "-ize". Let me know what you think of the change (I've had Canada on my mind lately). Mackerm 05:56, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

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Removing Discussion

I apologize if you thought I was "censoring" your previous edits on my talk page. Your comments didn't appear to be anything that was asking for a direct response from me. I made it clearer that discussion of my name was at a specific place, and I restored the one and only non-name comment that I had previously deleted. I thought this was what you were asking me to do, but I must have been wrong. --CrucifiedChrist

Dick Clarke

Thankyou for your message on my talk page about a redirect with which I had inadvertently created an endless loop. See Talk:Dick Clarke if you want to read a description of the intentions behind this foul-up, and how I have fixed it. Please don't worry about the rather intense tone of your message - I quite understand your desire that Wikipedia should be perfect. EdH 20:17, Jun 26, 2004 (UTC)