Talk:Patsy Cline

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Affairs

The reports of Miss Cline's affairs are personal assumptions from various persons interviewed many years after her death. Most of these interviews were for use in the makings of books and such about Miss Cline. Since most of the parties mention to have been involved in these affairs were deceased, these affairs could not be proven. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.53.145.56 (talk) 04:55, 17 January 2005 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, she's Ms. or Mrs. Cline; she was Miss Hensley. Secondly, if you refuse to acknowledge statements made by people who had direct knowledge of her and her life as evidence, what on earth would you regard as such? Poihths (talk) 19:13, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published sources, making sure that all majority and significant minority views that have appeared in those sources are covered... If no reliable sources can be found on a topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it... Articles should be based on reliable, independent, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. This means that we publish only the analysis, views, and opinions of reliable authors". Having "direct knowledge of her and her life" is completely irrelevant. Dgndenver (talk) 11:39, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gay Icon Project

In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 20:23, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Australian film

Wikipedia seems obsessed about bringing to light any entertainment made about any Wiki article... How about a mention of the Australian film, "Doing Time for Patsy Cline"? (Gary, Australia) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.31.214.94 (talk) 11:24, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Use of Names in an Unflattering Way

First of all, I would like to thank the contributors of this talk section for mentioning Patsy Cline as a gay icon. That is certainly a very well-known fact. Patsy has had many trials and tribulations after her death, including the disregard for her in her hometown of Winchester, Virginia. Apparently, the founding fathers of Winchester seem to disregard anyone who is an entertainer. There are plans for a museum in her name in downtown Winchester, Virginia. The museum was originally scheduled to open in 2006, but now may not open until 2008.

The mis-use of Miss Cline's children, as previously named here in an unflattering way, by her second husband, was most demeaning, and I do not know if it is all factual. Some of it is factual, and some may be, but the use of anyone's last name, relative to street terms, in a demeaning way, is most ungracious to one of the biggest music icons in current popular music history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.49.149.57 (talk) 03:55, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that you are referring to Cline's daughters name which was correctly and factually printed on the page as "Julie Dick Fudge". That is her name. Her full name is "Julia Simadore Dick Conner Fudge". (PatsyCline1Fan)

Her husband's name is Charles Allan (or Allen I'm not sure how he spells it)Dick. Her Daughter's name (no matter how it may sound) is actually Julia Dick Fudge) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.152.148.55 (talk) 01:56, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

American music icon

It seems this article does not adequately state the the influence she has had on modern American pop and country music. Can anyone find any sources that illustrate the degree of reverence held towards her ability to sing a tear-jerking ballad? youngamerican (talk) 17:52, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Citing Sources

This article does not include any sources or references. It is nearly impossible to tell what is original research, what's reliable information, and what is open for editorial dispute. Please see WP:CITE for more information. GregChant 04:08, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not remove the citing sources notice until citations have been introduced. Not a single piece of information presented in this article has a proper citation (or even an improper one). Again, if you have any questions, please see WP:CITE for more information. GregChant 11:54, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For those of you having any questions on what constitutes "introducing citations," please see WP:CITE, WP:RS, and When to cite sources for more information. Please note that fan sites do not constitute the fulfillment of having sources. GregChant 12:08, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Again, do not remove the Citation and NPOV notices until these issues have been resolved. If, after reading the applicable policies and guidelines, you do not believe you can do that, please let someone else handle it. That's what the notices are for: to indicate to the wikipedia community that these articles are in need of work. GregChant 20:26, 4 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV

"Patsy Cline (8 September 1932 – 5 March 1963) was a country music singer, who enjoyed pop music cross-over success during the era of the Nashville Sound in the early 1960s. Since her untimely death at age 30 in a 1963 plane crash during the height of her career, Cline has been hailed by fans, colleagues and music critics alike as one of the most beloved, influential and unique vocalists of the 20th century. Along with an iconic legacy that continues to endure and grow throughout the years with newer generations of fans across the globe, is her heritage of recordings that have been classified by many historians as "timeless classics"."

This is clearly POV: the entire article paints a completely rose-colored picture of Patsy Cline. She had no faults whatsoever? Wikipedia is not a eulogy. Please see WP:NPOV and WP:NOT for more information. Due to this and the complete lack of sources or references, I'm adding a NPOV notice until these issues are taken care of. GregChant 19:04, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Greg, you've raised some good points there. If you want to discuss the issue further, I'm open to discussion - I'd be willing to help rectify this. --Gold-Horn 19:06, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree the same. Whoever wrote this information will not let me change it to fit our needs because the user continually brings the old information back. I am willing to help on this. (LovePatsyCline 00:50, 3 October 2006 (UTC))[reply]

I have brought some sources to this article. I hope they might fit your needs. Please respond back to me on my talk page. (LovePatsyCline 01:06, 3 October 2006 (UTC))[reply]

In the article said that "awards such as the Grammys and CMAs weren't in existence until after her death."

Clearly this is not true. The Grammys were founded in the late 50s, which was about the same time Patsy Cline rose to fame. (LovePatsyCline 23:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Patsy Cline rose to fame in the 60's, she had only one hit record in the 50's. There was not a specific category for female vocalists as there is NOW for the Grammy's. All country music singers that were nominated for best song (once country was recognized by the Grammy's) where tossed into the same category, male and female- if allowed. (Country Music was a man's world then). The first female country music grammy with its own actual category was handed out in 1965, (to Dottie West) two years AFTER Patsy died. The CMA awards evolved from the DJ Convention and awards handed out each year in different categories. Where, in 1962 at the convention Patsy cleaned up. Taking home not only awards for her songs, being most programed female artist but also the big award of the night "Star of the Year", I believe the first female to win that award. It later became "Entertainer of the Year" first female winning it under that name would be Loretta Lynn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.139.146 (talk) 05:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures

Its great to see that someone finally uploaded pictures that show Patsy Cline's sense of fashion and style. As stated in the article, she was a "mover and shaker" in this area of her career as well in country music. The old screen cap previously posted was very unflattering of her. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.153.30.132 (talk) 04:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Grammar mistake

There is an indefinite article in the first sentence that should be "an", just before "American". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.188.203.39 (talk) 01:32, 28 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

"AgeD 30"??

This seems to be determined by a template. (Note: I'm kind of new here.) Shouldn't it be "Age 30" (or "Age, 30")? "Aged" makes it seem like she's a type of cheese. --BrianMDelaney 11:38, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Still says "aged", I agree it must be part of the template, perhaps that's the proper way to refer to a deceased persons age? I'll have to look into it. I'm curious now.PrecociousPeach (talk) 01:27, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's called good grammar. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 13:07, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Crash site

Who ever wrote this article has never been to Camden Tennessee the crash site is still fenced off and it is inside of the town next door to a restaurant just south of the town square you need to get your facts straight.If you don't believe me call someone in Camden and they can tell you that I am right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.116.158.130 (talk) 12:46, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Citations & References

See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton (talk) 04:29, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

accident

We lived next door to the Patterson's out here in California. I remember him being disciplined for AWOL like Rick James. Does anyone know if Charlie had another girlfriend prior to Patsy, or if he was in the Navy or something, 'cuz this picture my mother had standing there with this guy sure looks a lot like Charlie and Patsy. Does anyone know if her injuries did damage to her hip, 'cuz my mother limped a lot starting at about that time?

206.170.104.48 (talk) 02:35, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Death / the plane crash

"...but Hughes responded, 'I've already come this far. We'll be there before you know it.'" Most pilots can read between the lines and see a classic case of "get home-itis" on the part of a VFR pilot (i.e. one who was not instrument-rated and therefore not qualified to fly through clouds) flying into weather that he knew was beyond his abilities. But this section is worded in such a way as to make it sound like it was due to bad weather, or that it was an "accident," which I consider misleading to everyone else. It was no accident. Like the overwhelming majority of "general aviation" accidents, this one was pilot error, pure and simple. The movie's version of it (fuel starvation leading to them hitting the face of a mountain) was just a fabrication; no surprise there. CousinJohn (talk) 20:50, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not Jewish

Jewish - or - not jewish? 24.127.74.198 (talk) 22:09, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"The First Lady of Country Music"?

Thought it was Tammy Wynette... -- œ ^™ 08:59, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Charming story about "Crazy." Not.

Okay, this whole paragraph needs to be reworked into something encyclopedic, not the breezy little bon mot that it's been turned into. There's nothing worse about Wikipedia than articles that read like conversations rather than factual summations. 24.211.215.187 (talk) 04:20, 30 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this point and have done my best with this particular section. --Soulparadox 15:28, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Patsy Cline: Live at the Cimarron Ballroom

The article states that the tapes that were used to make this record were found in the attic of one of Cline's former residences. Her husband, Charles Dick, can be seen in an interview on YouTube where he states that he knew the recordings were left in the BASEMENT of the house when he vacated, and he intended to return for them. In the meantime he received the (incorrect) information that they had been damaged by water, so he never came back to claim them. The tapes allegedly passed through the hands of several people before someone realized their potential worth. RogerInPDX (talk) 07:06, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

good changes

The recent changes from Lfstevens are real good cleanup work. I do question one detail -- changing After several weeks of standing in the hallway at her local radio station watching through the window when the various acts performed to After several weeks of watching performers through the window at her local radio station. I think this loses detail, though; what do the sources say? I envision from the original someone inside a radio station watching through the window of the recording room, while the revision indicates someone looking into a building from outside. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 21:52, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for noticing. I don't care that much about this detail, but I thought my language didn't say either way, and I didn't imagine that it really mattered whether she was inside or outside the building. What I thought was salient was that she was on the outside looking in, dreaming of what might be. Cheers. Lfstevens (talk) 03:10, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Early years

The author of this section states: "She had perfect pitch. She was self-taught and could not read music." These two sentences contradict one another. You cannot have perfect pitch if you do not know the names of the notes. Perfect pitch (also absolute pitch) is defined as: "...an ability to instantaneously identify or sing any given musical note without a reference pitch. There are two types of perfect pitch: active and passive. A person with active perfect pitch is able to sing or hum any given pitch; that is, if they are asked to sing a B flat without hearing the said note or any reference note, they can, whereas a person with passive perfect pitch cannot." (http://classicalmusic.about.com/od/classicalmusic101/p/perfectpitch.htm) 66.191.228.245 (talk) 04:11, 5 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Death section

The whole section on her final day needs to be reworked. It reads like a Reader's Digest article, complete with implications of psychic premonitions. Wikipedia is not a cheesy biopic. --Tysto (talk) 15:05, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What!

Why is this bio on Patsy Cline written like a high school paper? Statements like -In the days before Tanya's skintight leather pants and Reba's famous red dress shocked the country music establishment out of complacency, Patsy's new image was considered riskier and sexier than anything that anybody had ever seen, Do NOT belong in this article. That statement reads like an opinion. That's just one statement out of about 75 ridiculous statements I've read in this article. 98.240.76.78 (talk) 00:44, 28 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"cause_of_death" parameter nonexistent?

Eric and Clarawolfe, can both of you discuss the edits and reverts here? I felt as if I should get involved. However, I'm unsure whether I want to. One of the reverts is removal or reinsertion of cause_of_death. Can both of you explain this upheaval or something? --George Ho (talk) 08:56, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@George Ho: A misunderstanding on my part and that of another editor regarding valid infobox parameters, abetted by Clara's chaotic editing patterns and failure to use edit summaries. What originally caught my eye was her text "plane crash" in the death place line of the infobox. Looks like all is well now. Eric ^talk 19:58, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Article clean up

Hello everyone. I have spent the past month cleaning up the Patsy Cline main article. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns as I make my final touches over the next week. Feel free to tweak any typos or grammar edits you see as well. ChrisTofu11961 (talk) 23:43, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline on early relationships

If anyone can clarify the timeline around her relationship with Bill Peer and her marriage to Gerald Cline, it would be very much appreciated. Right now, the article is confusing on that but I don't happen to have the resources to fix it.

Poihths (talk) 19:19, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]