Talk:Deanna Troi

Purpose

Not military my eye. The Enterprise functions to "show the flag" and enforce the Federation's will - by military force if necessary. If she weren't "military," why would she be heavily armed, well-protected and equipped with extensive systems dedicated toward tactical combat and fleet command and control?

Iceberg3k 22:38, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

The Enterprise is primarily an exploration vessel. "Its continuing mission [is] to explore strange new worlds; to seek out new life and new civilizations[, and] to boldy go where no one has gone before." It's equipped with tactical combat and weapons systems because it gets attacked a lot. It's for protection of the ship, not for policing the galaxy. -Branddobbe 23:13, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)

If she's an exploration vessel, why is she so large and well-armed? And why does she have systems specifically geared toward fleet control, which an exploration vessel should not need? The NCC-1701-D may serve as an exploration ship during times of peace, but her ability to stand down the most powerful weapons of the Federation's enemies should conclusively lend lie to claims that she is not a warship.

The NCC-1701-E (and to a lesser extent, because of poor design and conflicting design goals of the Galaxy class, the 1701-D) continues the classic naval mandate of intimidating the enemies of the Federation, defending her interests and her allies, and showing the flag in troubled regions. By Lt. Worf's own words, Enterprise is a "battleship" (TNG: Conundrums), albeit one which shows a remarkably schizophrenic design. The ready modification of Galaxy-class starships to battleship standards (really battlecruiser; Galaxies are armed to the gills, fast and maneuverable, but they can't take their own firepower, which is a defining characterstic of a classic battleship) during the Dominion War underscores my point. Enterprise's primary mission is to deter enemy aggression and to defend Federation life and civilization. Seeking out new life and new civilizations is what Starfleet has her doing when the Federation's interests aren't at stake.

Iceberg3k 23:51, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps it's only a story? -- Karada 23:56, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

It's a dorkfight. We need not your logic. ;-) Iceberg3k 00:00, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

How dare you suggest that Star Trek is fiction! I'm going to have Section 31 all over your ass. -Branddobbe 00:20, Mar 12, 2004 (UTC)

"Why would she be heavily armed, well-protected and equipped with extensive systems dedicated toward tactical combat and fleet command and control?" Why were RN ships for three hundred years, when they were also used for exploration? Why were the British East Indiamen armed, when they were mainly merchantmen? Because the "new civilizations" are liable to be hostile (as we've seen often in the canon...). --trekphiler, 16/11/05

Whether this is an appropriate discussion for Wikipedia at all aside, might it be sensible to move this to the Star Trek main page? I believe that there's been some scholarly work examining the Federation as a (slightly idealised) representation of the U.S. Perhaps a summary of that work could be included instead of an argument that essentially in novel "research". --xx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.189.142.60 (talk) 13:23, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Troi and Riker

Doesn't there need to be a bit more about Troi and Riker in this article, being as how the tension created by their previous relationship plays a part in more than one episode? At least some mention? The way it reads now, it sounds like they met on the Enterprise and got married, and that's it. --72.65.29.155 13:57, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Deanna's Accent

Can Deanna's accent in the movies really be considered a British accent? To me, a Brit, it sounds sort of Transatlantic, neutral, slightly American-ish accent. Briefly at the beginning of Nemesis she does turn a bit more British, then gets back to her usual accent, but as far as I know she has never used her real accent, which is quite a pronounced London one.

She does, or did, have quite a strong London accent years ago when I last heard her speak in an interview. She has lived in the US for most of the time between then and Nemisis I believe, so many be she is profound at picking up the lcoal accent and that in Nemesis is her, then real accent. And perhaps due to it sounding parlty English, those less familiar with English accents, or Marina's real accent may think she sounds English or even 'like her self' in Nemesis. Any way, I'm waffling now... Evil Eye 22:14, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Anybody know anything about what the accent was intended to be? Sounds mostly U.S., but I gather it's not Sirtis's normal accent. Any linguists? --xx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.189.142.60 (talk) 13:28, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I recall in an interview that she stated it was to be a mix between a Russian and an Israeli accent, since one of her friends spoke with an Israeli accent and it inspired her. If I can locate the interview I can link it but I think the explanation is already covered. The wiki page Marina Sirtis states: "She also created an accent (described as a mixture of Eastern European and Hebrew) for her character, although her natural accent is English." ~ A Caffeinated Fool (talk) 00:31, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Kent/Essex

• In These Are The Voyages Deanna mentions that she went to a grammar school, which is usually a British term, and at the time of writing a predominantly estuary term, suggesting that her origins coincide with her estuary accent. What do we make of it? Matthew Platts 23:29, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Ian Andrew Troi

Do we have any data on Troi's father's "maiden name"? Matthew Platts 11:37, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

As far as I know nothing was ever said on the TV show itself and I can't rememebr anything in the Imzadi novel (but weren't there at least two Imazdi novels? I have only read the first). I do hope the answer is out there somewhere as it would be nice to know. Evil Eye 13:01, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

The question you should be asking is who changes their name. I don't think that was even mention, though. It is never stated, however, who changes their name in a Betazoid marriage. The only other marriage that we see is Captain Riker's and Commander Troi's in Nemesis. In this instance, most likely because they work together, neither of them changed their name. I also don't believe the subject came up when Deanna was betrothed to Wyatt Miller, even though he is human. So the whole question boils down to who was born a Troi, Ian or Lwaxanna. Mainphramephreak 07:51, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Counsellor

The fact she was turned into a psychologist seems to me a flaw in the writing, or the show bible; the early shows suggested a role more like protocol officer (or Michael's consigliere in "Godfather). --trekphiler, 16/11/05

Perhaps someone can say something more detailed about her abilities: is there some metaphysical account of how they "operate"? And, an analysis of their use as a plot device might also be nice. --xx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.189.142.60 (talk) 13:31, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Asymmetric clothing

Anyone else noticed the cut in Deanna's dress in the photo is asymmetric? To accommodate her com-badge perhaps, or a weird design? Marky1981 14:03, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Does it matter really? That blue dress was one of her better outfits (appart from the proper uniform she wore in latter series :) Evil Eye 15:01, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

No, doesn't matter at all! Just something I had wondered. I agree it's a lot better than her 'cheer-leader' outfit in the first season! Marky1981 17:17, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

This woman's attire throughout most of the television run was, IMO, a joke. If she was ideed meant to be a counselor to a Starfleet crew, why did she deliberately and visually alienate herself from that crew? Her attire did not say "I am one of you. I can understand you." Her attire primarily shouted "Check out my boobs!" Aside from that, it shouted "I am NOT one of you. I don't have to adhere to those fussy dress codes." It's no coincidence that the UNI in "uniform" also appears in "unite." The primary purpose of uniforms is to provide a visual confirmation of one's unity with a particular group. The purpose of a ship's counselor was, as I understand it, to provide the crew with professional psychological counseling. In order for counseling to be effective, the recipient generally needs to feel that the counselor knows what she's doing and that there is on some level a connection. Thus, putting this "counselor" in casual clothes was a mistake on many levels, as it disconnected her from the crew. It also opened the way for resentment ("Why does she get to skip the uniform when I can't?) from the crew, which is entirely counterproductive to effective counseling. Yes, I know that Trek has had a long-standing penchant for dressing women in the William Ware Theiss (original costumer on ST:OS) tradition of "Will she or won't she fall out of that before the next commercial break?" but I wish the writers/producers had had the guts to break with that and present a professional, competent female in a power position. Troi was, for all intents and purposes, eye candy, good for little more than sitting around "sensing" the blindingly obvious.

Bcr8ve 16:32, 11 March 2006 (UTC)bcr8ve

Perhaps some alienation was necessary. It could be that her patients needed to get away from the whole Starfleet machinery for a while and address their own personal problems. --GSchjetne (talk) 19:19, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

I've seen her in interview(s) (unfortuneatly I don't have a reference) say she, and here style of clothing, was there to add a bit of sexyness/sex appeal; with particular emphasis on her chest/cleavage. Dannman (talk) 14:45, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Deanna & Worf

I liked the Deanna and Worf angle better than the Jadzia and Worf angle. It was just more enjoyable to watch, especially with their personalities being so completely different. The Jadzia and Worf relationship seemed a bit forced to me by the writers. I wish the Worf and Troi relationship could've been continued, the wedding would've been more enjoyable - especially seeing the reaction of Troi's mother to her new son-in-law.
JesseG 01:53, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Refs corrupted

Something needs to be done about the references, the section looks corrupted. Digifiend (talk) 13:44, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Underscore

I deleted a sentence which seemed to be sophisticated vandalism, that her powers came from her ability to hear the underscore. OK?Bellagio99 (talk) 02:13, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Durango disambiguation page

On the Durango (disambiguation) page it states "Durango, a pseudonym of the Star Trek character Deanna Troi". I found a link [1] thats states "Ian's nickname for Deanna was 'Durango'. The last time Deanna spoke to her father, he promised to return home with a surprise. Sadly, Ian Troi was killed in the line of duty before returning home.(TLE novel: The Art of the Impossible)." Should add this info to this page. As looking at the Durango page it looks like vandalism with no reference --Mrebus (talk) 22:33, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Deanna Troi Human?

I haven't seen any episode that specifically says Troi's father was Human. It stated him as being in Star Fleet and on earth but so was Warf. does anyone know which one says he was human? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.53.197.15 (talk) 08:18, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Similarities to Asimov's Bliss

I have been re-reading the Foundation series and this time through I was struck by the similarities between Deanna Troi and Bliss of Asimov's Foundation series (introduced in Foundation's Edge and particularly prominent in Foundation and Earth). What made the connection was not just the telepathic aspect, but also the overtly sexual aspect. Asimov describes Bliss as curvy, with one character noting that she is "too bottom-heavy" for his preference, but she is clearly described as conventionally sexy by all. Bliss is even described as having long, black hair.

Her telepathic abilities are used to detect life signs, interpret emotions, and even to influence the emotions and behaviors of others. It strikes me that Bliss may have been the initial inspiration for Troi. Note that Foundation's Edge was published in 1982, and Foundation and Earth in 1986, while ST:TNG was announced in 1986, with the first episodes in September, 1987.

Obviously this is purely my own speculation at this point, but it seems quite plausible. In my brief searches thus far (totaling perhaps 30-40 minutes) I haven't found any reference to Roddenberry being inspired by Asimov/Foundation, but it is such a standard element listed by most science-fiction writers as their inspiration that it seems to me unlikely that he wasn't a fan. Does anyone more familiar with Roddenberry than I am know anything about this? Thanks! 63.248.99.211 (talk) 17:18, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Similarity of name

I think it should be some comment about the similarity of name regarding DC Comics character Donna Troy, in case there be a known relationship.--Manfariel (talk) 02:41, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

What kind of relationship are you hinting at? I've never read anything about Roddenberry being a comics fan that would make someone think he borrowed this name from DC. All things are possible. StarHOG (Talk) 14:25, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Season 4 Episode "The Loss"

In the main article, I can find no mention of the Star Trek: The Next Generation season-4 episode The Loss. This episode had two main plots,

• (1) The Enterprise caught up in -- and unable to escape from -- a powerful gravity field generated by strange two-dimensional beings.
• (2) Deanna Troi experiencing the sudden loss of her empathic abilities, and having a very difficult time coping.

Would adding to the main article a brief mention (maybe one or two lines) of the "The Loss" and the crisis Troi undergoes within the episode be all right ??

Thanx-A-Lot. Stay Safe And Well. Fgf2007 (talk) 01:07, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

The Next Generation absences

Hide And Q Datalore 11001001 Heart of Glory A Matter Of Honor Identity Crisis The Perfect Mate The Inner Light Birthright, Part II Rightful Heir Goojrr (talk) 06:35, 4 January 2024 (UTC)