Talk:CoDominium

Series

Pournelle's 'The Prince is not the same as The Prince of the link, by Machiavelli, although the latter certainly inspired the former....

If I recall correctly, the War World series of books is also a part of the CoDominium series. In the gripping hand, one of the characters has a bodygaurd that is part sauron superman, which I believe comes from that series. I have never read the war world books, however. --Ignignot

Moved Motie Prime to the motie page, were it seemed more apporate.

Added CoDo seal. JetGoodson 07:32, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Is there any way to make the CoDo seal any smaller? It seems rather large for the article. --Eldarone 22:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Mercenaries

Wrote this section up, but not sure if it shou,ld be included or not:

"==Mercenaries== Many newly independent colonies need a military, but can not develop one due to a lack of resources. With the Grand Senate cutting the fleet budget, there is a large amount of unemployed trained soldiers. As a result of these factors, former CD marine units reorganized into mercenary bands. Eventually, mercenaries become a necessary in colony warfare.

Although there are attempts to ban mercenaries, these are ignored. Eventually, the CoDominium creates the Laws of War which limits mercenary warfare and provides rules of conduct. Along with several mercenary groups, other planets begin to also produce mercenary units."

I think it needs a little more work. Plus, I don't really know were to place this. --Eldarone 17:43, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

He Fell into a Dark Hole Write up

Just found the Short stoy from Pournelle. Doing a writeup. --Eldarone 19:36, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Article too long?

I'm thinking that Warworld and perhaps Planets of the CoDominium might be made into separate articles. Noclevername 05:16, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Probably best to split the Warworld section on its own. The Planet section could proably stay though. --Eldarone 18:50, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

CD Era technology

Some editors have mentioned the lack of cell phones or Internet in the Second Empire era, and citied this as results of the CoDominium Technology policy. However, evidence from the book series show otherwise. The First Empire, which succeeded the CoDominium was far more advanced than even the Second Empire. This would suggest that even the CD corruption of databanks would that be not too serious.

Second, in MIGE, we don't see an internet or cell phones, mostly because the setting doesn't really call for an internet. We briefly visit human civilian settlements, so we don't see much of civilian life. Also, cell phones are not really needed, since telecommunications are integrated in the PDA-equse portable computers.

Thirdly, the Internet nor cell phones were not even developed to todays standards when the book series was written. --Eldarone 03:46, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

It would be a good excuse should Pournelle ever continue the series, as many of us hope. Still, you're right, it is conjecture. --Kalaong 01:42, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Besides, although I didn't say it blatantly, this may be why the Empire of Man has not reached a technological singularity. --Kalaong 17:16, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Other than the fact that singularities are not only impossible, throughout the CoDominium timeline the human race suffered 2 civilization destroying wars. The First Empire was clearly even more advanced than the CD. --Eldarone 13:19, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Singularities impossible? Them's fightin' words, boy! Wanna take this discussion elsewhere? --Kalaong 15:28, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Pournelle was careful to use his technological police as a hedge against real-world advances. Much like Niven did with the ARM. Pournelle can always retro-fit this kind of technology back into his future history if he chooses to do so, but its absence isn't annoying if he doesn't. As for a technological singularity, remember that this is a work of literature we're talking about. He's trying to make the points he is trying to make, and set the stage to tell the stories he wants to set. If a theme doesn't contribute to this, he's under no obligation to try to include it. Wellspring (talk) 14:19, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

To address the OP point, the lack of such Devices in the Second Empire has little to do with CoDo Policy. In fact, at this point in time, its nearly the year 3000 and the policies and directives of the CoDo are at there point in time, ancient history. That would be like saying England is not a world leader in the semi-conductor industry in part due to the industrial policies of Edmund Ironside and the House of Wessex. That the first Empire of Man can directly trace there political and cultural heritage to the Co-Dominion, this is less true of the 2nd EoM. Although its not overtly implied, throughout the various novels in the 'Empire of Man' series, the people of these times seem to regard the CoDo. (in part at least) the same way we regard the Roman Empire today. Some one should Make a detailed article of the Succession Wars and the Saurons ie WarWorld —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.108.89.141 (talk) 20:42, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Reviews

Currently this article exists in a vacumn. There's no comment about later series that were influenced by it, no reviews of series, or the concepts of the series. Is this the right place for that sort of thing, or should it go in articles on specific books within the series? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.107.0.77 (talk) 19:43, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Alternate history or future history?

I this actually an alternate history? As far as I can tell there is no point of divergence to the history known to the author when the first novel was written. It appears to be a future history. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 17:40, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Actually I just checked the link to the complete timeline. History does not diverge until the 1990s, but since the first story was written in the 1970s this mean it is a future history and not an alternate history. Zombie Hunter Smurf (talk) 17:44, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Inhabited planets: speculations

(§ Inhabited planets)

• "Istvan — World of unidentified ethnicity." Probably Hungarian, since István is a very common Hungarian masculine given name, cognate to Steven/Stephen and Spanish Esteban. (Not "first name", though, since Hungarian naming puts the family name first.)
• "Santiago ... a poorly financed colony launched by a Third World nation able only to finance the transport of one wave of emigrants." This is also the name of a nation on

  "Thurstone— Earth-like dry world, with three nations, one of which is Santiago (non-industrial Spanish Catholic-ethnic w/ involuntary colonists)." Santiago means "St. James".

It is actually St. Jacob/Joshua. --ExperiencedArticleFixer (talk) 08:12, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Is the first Santiago a planet, or does it actually apply just to the nation?

(As you might guess, I'm not familiar with most of these books.) --Thnidu (talk) 21:39, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Plot

The in-universe history needs to be restored. 71.80.203.159 (talk) 13:00, 31 March 2021 (UTC)