Talk:Cheddar Gorge

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Date	Process	Result
August 20, 2007	Good article nominee	Listed
September 11, 2008	Good article reassessment	Kept
September 27, 2008	Featured topic candidate	Promoted
December 6, 2015	Good topic candidate	Promoted
September 24, 2021	Featured topic removal candidate	Demoted
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Untitled

I moved the ISIHAC link to Cheddar Gorge (game), so this can be given over to your actual gorge.

GA On Hold

I've made some minor Manual of Style type edits. Still, several issues with verifiability, quality of prose, and coverage remain:

Gorge section contains way too little citations. Citations are needed for first two paragraphs which have non-trivial statements.
Caves section: don't just say spectacular geology or intricate formations, give details using geologic terminology and say something about their formation (see undue weight comment below).
Other attractions reads too much like, well, the brochure. There is no need to mention which direction is chargeable or give the reader steep cliff warnings or all these goods that can be obtained nearby.
Other attractions gets too much weight: talk more about the geologic history of the area and its formation instead.
Prose is a bit choppy in places like third paragraph of Gorge section. Rephrase/rewrite some sentences.
I'm a little worried about using the tourist company that manages the caves as a reliable source. Try to find some third party for those citations.

This is a lot and I was close to failing this article, but given its narrow scope, I think these changes can be made in a week. I'd be glad to assist or clarify any of these criticisms. --Meowist 03:54, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I did not nominate this article but have added more information (& references) on the geology, reduced the size (& peacock phrases) in other attractions, and found alternative references for the discovery of the caves. Not sure about the "choppy prose" comment.— Rod ^talk 21:40, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Changes 8/12/07

Citations for largest, oldest, etc. have been added. Novickas 16:24, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Pass as Good Article

This article has been on hold for a while so I have taken the decision to Pass it as a Good Article. Many of the suggestions above have been implemented and the article seems in much better shape. Further improvements to the article are certainly possible:

The intro talks about the cheddar man however he is hardly mentioned in the rest of the article (See WP:LEAD)
In the cave section it says the caves are known for their geology - it would be nice if this could be elaborated on.
Finally the last section doesn't have a reference for the inforamtion - If one general source could be found that would be good.

Overall a good article, and hopefully these suggestions will help in the future. Congratulations to the editors. Suicidalhamster 12:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm Sorry, I Haven't A Clue

Not one reference to the Cheddar Gorge game, or "I'm Sorry, I Haven't A Clue"? -Shame Bogger 15:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You could always add a comment about this to the article , however, the link is tenuous and may constitute trivia.— Rod ^talk 15:47, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am learing about this at school

Depth

The depth is wrong. Currently it says the maximum depth is 113 metres. However, the pinnacles are typically quoted as 450 feet (137 metres), and are the highest point above the gorge floor: http://www.iknow-somerset.co.uk/tourist_information/central_somerset/cheddar/cheddar_gorge_showcaves.htm http://www.bbc.co.uk/somerset/content/articles/2008/10/20/cheddar_gorge_feature.shtml (also quoted by the tour guide). The tallest popular climbing wall (Coronation Street route up what I think is called the "high rock") is quoted as 400 feet (122 metres). Both are significantly taller than 113 metres.

Also, some info on the total depth would be nice; the highest point above the gorge is 255 metres, and the gorge ends at about 25 metres: http://streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=346856&y=154048&z=115&sv=346856,154048&st=4 This would give a total depth of about 230 metres.TarquinWJ (talk) 07:34, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Separately, someone needs to verify the claims that this is the largest gorge in the United Kingdom or Britain (made in the introduction and Geography sections). The referenced article shows no research on the subject and seems only to be repeating common misconceptions. The gorge is clearly outdone in length, width, and height by several other gorges in Britain (and thus the UK). One example would be the Clydach Gorge in South Wales, which is about 50% deeper, twice as wide, and about the same length. There are also several longer gorges in the Brecon Beacons national park. I suspect that Cheddar Gorge is probably the deepest gorge in England (which is neither all of Britain or the UK), but this needs to be made clear in the article, along with some actual research that proves it one way or the other.TarquinWJ (talk) 09:10, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to edit the article to remove those inaccurate statements. Research is collected at http://www.cavinguk.co.uk/holidays/Brighton2009/ TarquinWJ (talk) 13:12, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but someone's holiday blog is not a reliable source. See WP:RS for details. Of course, that's not to say the existing articles in there are either, so go ahead an tag any disputable facts or replace them if you can provide a better source. --Simple Bob (talk) 20:05, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What else is needed to get this article to FA

This article has now been a fairly stable Good Article for over two years and I am looking for ideas about what would be needed to get it to meet the Wikipedia:Featured article criteria? This is one part of the Featured topic about Physical geography of Somerset. The rules about FT's have changed and we need to get one of the GAs included in the topic up to FA status or the whole FT will be demoted to a Good topic. Any ideas appreciated.— Rod ^talk 21:04, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm surprised that there isn't more on Gough's Cave, and Reservoir Hole which has the largest chamber in the country. The resurgence at the bottom of Cheddar Gorge is the largest on Mendip, and the cave system behind it, with which those caves are associated, are amongst the most important in the country. Incidentally, with reference to the caves that are mentioned in the article, what does the phrase "Both are known for their geology" refer to? That they are in rock? Langcliffe (talk) 11:23, 14 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Cultural references

For me, this is coming close to trivia. Five of the seven items have been added since the article made GA. Two are uncited, one is cited to IMDb, a deprecated, user-generated source, and another to Feedwhip which looks pretty dubious. Much looks pretty trivial - a fifty-year old afternoon radio play, a cartoon character, a video game, a forty-year old childrens' TV programme. And it's close to bullet points, rather than prose. I don't think it adds much at all to the article and propose to trim drastically, but would appreciate other views first. KJP1 (talk) 07:13, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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