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1st Beast/Antichrist: Greek 'Kaisar Neron' = 666 in Hebrew Gematria, Latin 'Caesar Nero' = 616

I corrected the reference to the "666 1st Beast"/Antichrist Revelation 13:18. 50.253.143.113 (talk) 17:53, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification needed

In reading over the lead section, the question in my mind that never got answered was "the mechanics are described but why do this at all?" What was this used for? How are the numeric values interpreted? What meanings, if any, were derived from numerical values of words? This wasn't clear. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:26, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not even sure it's described in the body of the article. I know occultists use a dictionary arranged numerically such as 777 and Other Qabalistic Writings of Aleister Crowley. The number is interpreted in terms of (all?) the words which also add up to the same number. Don't think Crowley's the best source for this though, and I'm not aware of any more traditional numerical dictionaries, but one would think they must exist in the traditional Kabbalistic schools. Skyerise (talk) 12:49, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Surely there is some purpose to doing this other than engaging in some arbitrary analysis? If different words represent the same number, what of it? The point of engaging in gematria isn't clear in this article. I am not sure that the primary sources you alluded to would help either, because they likely already assume the reader knows the purpose. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:39, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The idea is that the true meaning of a passage may have been disguised by replacing a word with one having the same value. Perhaps this is covering in the main article, Kabbalah? I'll look into it when I have a chance. Search-wise, probably "Kabbalistic exegesis", maybe? Skyerise (talk) 17:42, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Historically, the first text to describe the process from outside Judaism is probably Johann Reuchlin's De Arte Cabbalistica (1517). Skyerise (talk) 17:59, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect Formula in Methods of Hebrew Gematria: Standard encoding

That formula is not correct. The easiest counter-proof is that f(0) through f(9) all output zero. 2601:180:8300:B8D0:F5AA:F23E:37F4:24A6 (talk) 23:50, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Use in non-semitic languages.

The article has no mention Japan, even though the practice is widespread in japanese, like Hatsune Miku is 39, etc. 92.249.156.69 (talk) 12:03, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any reliable sources that confirm that? Onomancy does mention Japan. Polygnotus (talk) 12:11, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Japanese number wordplay is goroawase, and is not related to numerology as defined in this article. White 720 (talk) 03:30, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]