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Argentina

The city of Buenos Aires was federalized in 1880 and not with the 1994 Constitunional reform as the article apparently states.

Argentina is an autonomous country — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.53.12.225 (talk) 22:11, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Italy

Please, notice that Italy has two autonomous provinces, not one. Autonomous region Trentino-Upper Adige or Trentino-South Tyrol is composed with two autonomous provinces: the Autonomous Province of Bozen or Bolzano (corresponding to Upper Adige or South Tyrol), having a majority of German-speaking people, and the Autonomous Province of Trento (corresponding to Trentino), which is Italian at all, but obtained authonomy to be equal to the other province of the same region. Actually, there is no longer a regional council separated from the provincial ones. Regional Council is composed with the two provincial council in joined assembly. The two Provincial Presidents are, in turn, Region Presidents. I noticed that my addition of the province of Trento was removed and I restored it. I don't understand because someone wants to cover reality. Val, Italy

Hi Val: Try amending the list again but this time include a reference or two; if someone then reverts your amendments, your reference/s may be checked and the reversion undone. Best wishes, David Kernow (talk) 13:04, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

MOUNT ATHOS

For what I know Mount Athos is an Authonomous Republic inside Greece, not an authonomous region. I never heard such a definition. Though under the sovereignity of Greece it is ruled by an elected Council, made with two deputies for every monastry. Val

Please supply some kind of reference/s (ideally internet) and its designation will be amended. Thanks, David Kernow (talk) 13:00, 1 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

References? It's enough you surf in the Internet by words "Mount Athos" and you'll find every kind of news. By the way, Mount Athos was a Republic also when Greece was a monarchy! I find interesting the site www.mountathos.gr (in Greek, but with a translation into English) where administration system is clearfly explained, also with reference to Greek Consitution. More, if you simply digit Republic of Mount Athos, you'll find a lot of English-written sites about. Val

Two largest countries?

By what measure are Russia and China the two largest countries? China is the largest by population, and Russia by area, but China is fourth by area and Russia 8th by population. Twin Bird 00:24, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The wording was obviously flawed. I made some minor changes.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 03:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No more autonomous provinces in Madagascar?

An anon IP user had blanked the reference to Madagascar's autonomous provinces, without explanation. Maybe it no longer belongs here? There has been a constitutional change. it seems Shawn in Montreal 18:17, 18 April 2007 (UTC) Info from wikipedia/madagascar On 4 April 2007, a referendum about a revised Constitution was held. It was approved with 75.33 percent of the votes (24.67 against). There are several major and minor changes in the revised Constitution. Examples: the autonomous provinces are deleted, the state is no more secular and humanist, three official languages (Malagasy, French and English) are included in addition to the national language (Malagasy).[reply]

The new Constitution entered into force on 27 April 2007.

Good link

http://www.gfbv.it/3dossier/eu-min/autonomy.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gaidmas (talk • contribs) 12:51, 27 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Brussels

Is that an autnonomous city?It is divided by Flemish and Wallons and two languages are official in there.Does that make up autonomous? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.161.76.219 (talk) 02:52, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Palestine

the area is not within state of israel but in the side of the state. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.196.166.161 (talk) 09:11, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Iraqi Kurdistan

what does the line "Iraqi Kurdistan is the only region which has gained official recognition internationally as an autonomous federal entity." mean? Who recognizes it, what does "autonomous federal entity" mean? and how does that differe from the other autonomous areas? CK6569 (talk) 20:46, 9 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

India

the map should be edited to include India that have several autonomous regions check Autonomous regions of India Atmleb (talk) 20:29, 24 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reserves/Reservations

If the Reservations in the United States and the Reserves in Canada count as autonomous areas, then why is the US colored green on the map and not Canada? --Khajidha (talk) 12:01, 10 June 2010 (UTC) Puerto Rico, perhaps89.167.85.225 (talk) 13:56, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Indonesia

Beside 28 ordinary/common provinces, Indonesia has five distinct provincial-level subnational entities.

Jakarta, as the national capital. Different to other provinces, Jakarta does not have regencial/city parliaments. Jakarta has five administrative cities and one administrative regency, in which every mayors and regent do not elected by peoples, but they are appointed by governor of Jakarta. In other provinces, mayors or regents are directly elected through local elections.
Yogyakarta: a provincial-level special region, the governor is always Sultan of Yogyakarta, the vice-governor is always Sri Paduka Paku Alam, historical reasons.
Aceh: unique statute, quasi-federal, local political party, sharia law, greater allocation on national budget.
Papua: unique statute, sharia law, greater allocation on national budget.
West Papua: unique statute, sharia law, greater allocation on national budget.

Reindra (talk) 10:48, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Denmark, Faroe, Greenland

Can't help but notice our entries on Faroe & Greenland describe them as constituent countries of Kingdom of Denmark, former being autonomous province, latter being autonomous country, neither being autonomous region. Besides, shouldn,t we include constituent countries of UK/GB here? Or perhaps Aland Isles, autonomous part of Finland?89.167.85.225 (talk) 13:56, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of Sudan

Southern Sudan is no longer a part of a larger country and therefore no longer an autonomous area and thus I have removed it from this article. If this article were to include all the previously autonomous areas it would be excessively long, for example Canada and Australia were automonomous areas of the United Kingdom when the were dominions of the united kingdom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.132.117.127 (talk) 20:53, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also the map needs to be changed. I don't know how to do that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.132.117.127 (talk) 07:51, 15 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's been over 8 years and nobody has cared to change the map? I'm a simple browser, but I could immediately tell that the image did not draw any borderlines between North and South Sudan (implying they are still one nation). Perhaps someone should do something about this? I'm no MS Paint or Photoshop expert, or even novice, so I have no idea how to faithfully redraw the border. Maybe there's another map out there too, I mean it has been over 8 years... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:E10:7DD0:61C4:56D2:F0AF:4B95 (talk) 21:56, 10 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

South Ossetia

Ossetia seems to have been forgotten — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.233.53.146 (talk) 13:28, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Chile and Bolivia

Chile and Bolivia appear on the map but not on the table. 167.107.191.217 (talk) 21:37, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

England

An anonymous user added "England" as an autonomous entity within the UK. I have reverted this edit as England does not possess its own institutions of self-government like Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland do. England is under direct control of the central government of the UK in Westminster and is therefore not an autonomous entity. Cordyceps-Zombie (talk) 07:40, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It does possess its own institution for self-government: the Westminster parliament, as noted in the side notes. Autonomous does not mean exclusively autonomous. Plenty of laws have been, and can be, passed relating to specified parts of the UK including England Roger 8 Roger (talk) 07:54, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Westminster parliament is the central legislature for the whole UK. England does not qualify for inclusion on this list as it does not enjoy autonomy from the central government. It does not have its own legislature or executive. Do not add England to the list until consensus is reached by a wide group of editors. Leave the status quo that existed yesterday. I will have to report you to an administrator if you continue to edit war. Cordyceps-Zombie (talk) 09:00, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Laws can be passed relative to any part of the UK it doesn't make them autonomous. I agree there is ambiguity over the issue but it doesn't have an exclusive institution for self government.-----Snowded ^TALK 10:40, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to see you were watching. I am reminded of the not infrequent comments by other editors about the ambiguities of England, such as it lack of a capital and of an official language. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 11:08, 16 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Autonomous administrative division (Request editing and modifications to table and frame)

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List of autonomous subdivisions by designation

Country : Israel, State of Palestine (Palestinians, United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine, Palestine Liberation Organization)

Region : Comoros, Mayotte (Politics of Mayotte, Comoro Islands)

Republic : Morocco, Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic (Western Sahara, Southern Provinces, Madrid Accords)

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1. |- | Country

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| United Kingdom |Three of the four constituent countries of the United Kingdom, namely Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, each have an elected devolved legislature which has the ability to legislate in devolved matters. The Parliament of the United Kingdom retains sovereignty (the United Kingdom is a unitary state) and legislates in matters that are not devolved, as well as having the capacity to legislate in areas that are devolved (this does not normally occur, by constitutional convention, without the agreement of the devolved legislature). |-

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|- | rowspan="2"| Politics of Mayotte
Comoro Islands | Claimed by:
Comoros | rowspan="2"|The islands are politically divided between Union of the Comoros (pop. 850,688) and two territories of France: the department of Mayotte (pop. 270,372) and the Glorioso Islands, a part of the Scattered Islands in the Indian Ocean, the 5th district of the French Southern and Antarctic Lands. This change was approved by 73% at a referendum on Mayotte. After the constitutional reform of 2003 it became a collectivité d'outre-mer while keeping the title collectivité départementale de Mayotte. Mayotte became an overseas department of France (département d'outre-mer, DOM) on 31 March 2011 following the result of the March 2009 Mahoran status referendum, which was overwhelmingly approved by around 95% of voters. |- | Controlled by:
Mayotte |-

|- | rowspan="2"|Western Sahara
Southern Provinces
Madrid Accords | Claimed by:
Morocco |- | Controlled by:
Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic |-

1. Republic | Israel |In 1947, the United Nations (UN) adopted a Partition Plan for Palestine recommending the creation of independent Arab and Jewish states and an internationalized Jerusalem.[40] The plan was accepted by the Jewish Agency, and rejected by Arab leaders.[41][42][43] The following year, the Jewish Agency declared the independence of the State of Israel, and the subsequent 1948 Arab–Israeli War saw Israel's establishment over most of the former Mandate territory, while the West Bank and Gaza were held by neighboring Arab states.[44] Israel has since fought several wars with Arab countries,[45] and since the Six-Day War in 1967 held occupied territories including the West Bank, Golan Heights and the Gaza Strip (still considered occupied after the 2005 disengagement, although some legal experts dispute this claim).[46][47][48][fn 5] It extended its laws to the Golan Heights and East Jerusalem, but not the West Bank.[49][50][51][52] Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories is the world's longest military occupation in modern times.[fn 5][54] Efforts to resolve the Israeli–Palestinian conflict have not resulted in a final peace agreement. However, peace treaties between Israel and both Egypt and Jordan have been signed. On 15 November 1988, Yasser Arafat, Chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), in Algiers proclaimed the establishment of the State of Palestine. A year after the signing of the Oslo Accords in 1993, the Palestinian National Authority was formed to govern the areas A and B in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Gaza would later be ruled by Hamas in 2007, two years after the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza. The State of Palestine is recognized by 137 UN members and since 2012 has a status of a non-member observer state in the United Nations – which implies recognition of statehood.[26][27][28] It is a member of the Arab League, Organisation of Islamic Cooperation, G77, and the International Olympic Committee and other international bodies.

2. Region | rowspan="2"|The islands are politically divided between Union of the Comoros (pop. 850,688) and two territories of France: the department of Mayotte (pop. 270,372) and the Glorioso Islands, a part of the Scattered Islands in the Indian Ocean, the 5th district of the French Southern and Antarctic Lands. This change was approved by 73% at a referendum on Mayotte. After the constitutional reform of 2003 it became a collectivité d'outre-mer while keeping the title collectivité départementale de Mayotte. Mayotte became an overseas department of France (département d'outre-mer, DOM) on 31 March 2011 following the result of the March 2009 Mahoran status referendum, which was overwhelmingly approved by around 95% of voters. 211.179.124.107 (talk) 02:15, 8 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Huge, contentious and duplicated list

Shrek_5_the_divorce reinstated my removal of the huge, contentious list, claiming "Not only does this make the article not have any coherent sense but lists of entities like this are common like here with here".

Well, there is no "article" here. There is only a list. Moreover, it is a POV copy of a list that is already there on another page! Why do we need two lists, as if one isn't bad enough?

"Coherent sense"? What coherent sense is this list providing, pray tell me. If the article is at least blank, it will at least motivate somebody to come and write about it. Right now, the ugly list will put off anybody from touching this page with a tadpole. All the list fans can go and fight their battles at List of autonomous areas by country. Please leave this page alone. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:37, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, calm down a bit, nobody made anything that would enable the level of anger you are showing. Now, I completely agree with you that the list is not adequate for this page, but completely removing it without providing a replacement for it would be quite wrong in my opinion. How about we change this page so that the list is removed but make it so that it can contain at the very least some information that's right now on the list, and we take the areas that are not in the List of autonomous areas by country list so that none of the information is gone. I think that would be quite acceptable for us both. I await your response Shrek 5 the divorce (talk) 20:54, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, there are multiple policies violated here. Articles are supposed to contain prose, explain the concepts, and provide sources. If they duplicate something from some other page, they are supposed to provide a Template:Main and follow the guidelines given there. And you are not supposed to revert a policy-based edit based on some mythical idea of "coherence".

Your proposal is a stop-gap, because I don't see any non-WP:OR way of picking "some information" from the list. What information will you pick? Based on what criteria?

What this article is supposed to do is to explain what autonomy means, why it is used, how it is implemented, what impediments there are, and how far it is successful or not successful. There is no way of doing that without actually going out and finding some solid sources. The table will teaching you nothing. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:12, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Again, calm down. Again, I completely agree with you in that this article must be exclusively about explaining what an autonomous administrative division is, but removing half of the content and expecting that someone magically fills in all the content you've deleted with a coherent explanation (which you could have done yourself) is ludicrous. Again, find sources that tell you which entities are autonomous and which are not and if they are then move them to the List of autonomous areas by country list, but don't expect someone to do the work for you. When you deleted 17,225 bytes of the page you didn't even consider that most of the content you left was still a list of autonomous entities, just not using the Template:Main. If you are going to do changes, then do it well and don't leave things half-made.

When I talk about information getting lost, I am talking about the Indian reservations in the United States, and the Indian reserves in Canada; these entities can undoubtedly be called autonomous since even the list admits that Somalia only has one autonomous region so the others are unnecessary, and the so-called republics in Somaliland is pure WP:OR. I completely agree with you, but these are just some little nitpicks that I should point out. Shrek 5 the divorce (talk) 22:49, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Christmas Island and Cocos Islands

Shouldn't Christmas Island and Cocos (Keeling) Islands be included in this list. Catfurball (talk) 18:22, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do reliable sources treat them as such? CMD (talk) 22:04, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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