Talk:University of St. Michael's College

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A bitter sounding article. Written by an unhappy former St.Mike's student perhaps? It presents such a negative view of what is not such a bad institution.

For example, have the admission standards to St.Mike's really fallen? After all, to be in St. Mike's you have to also get into the University of Toronto. Have admission standards of U of T gone down lately?

Also, what is this exaggeration with staunch religion? You can be a St.Mike's student and ignore religion completely. Unless you are a person that experiences jitters just seeing a priest or a nun.

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Agreed - I'm graduating from the College in June 2004, and although there's ups and downs, the article needs work. I've started with some changes. --Krupo 07:21, 2 May 2004 (UTC)

• Long over-due edits complete. Krupo 03:49, Sep 8, 2004 (UTC)

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Anybody have any details about the sculpture in the middle of the St. Mike's campus in the photo? How about the one in front of the library? This info would be great for the aricle. Paradiso 02:34, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The sculpture in the picture is supposed to be St. Michael, I've added that to the photo description. Adam Bishop 04:44, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

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I don't see the problem with recent comments about Murphy Hall. They are indeed both factual, and relevant to any discussion of the St. Mike's community. Continuing to take this addition to the page down is simply ridiculous. They're is nothing fake or libelous about it. --Murphoholic 05:54, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

(They are, of course, completely irrelevant, but I suppose no one really needs this to be pointed out...) Adam Bishop 07:03, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

How are they irrelevant good sir? --Murphoholic 07:39, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Content such as "Murphoholics, are widely considered to be the most idiotic students at U of T" is pretty far from encyclopedic. - SimonP 14:57, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I fail to see why Loretto's elegant ensuite bathrooms are so much more encyclopedic than an accurate description of student life in residence. At least the bit on Murphy Hall First Floor seems to be based in fact, unlike several items in the current entry. Hastalavictoriasiempre 18:04, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

The simple fact is that Murphy first is a prominent, active member of not only the St. Michael's community, but the University of Toronto community as a whole. We're active in athletic and social circles, we are currently quite involved in raising money and collecting canned goods for the Dean's Cup charity, we are influential in academic circles (such as the U of T G8 conference, we've identified several pivot points that created no small amount of debate) and perhaps what puts us furthest apart from everyone else is our commitment to each other, and unified community spirit that is so much so that a history and name has developed around that. In any event, the purpose of Wikipedia is to disseminate relevant information to the public, not for bias individuals to improperly exercise their powers. There are many, many individuals at St. Michael's who have heard of Murphy 1st, but know nothing of it. Well, what better place to educate them? -- AndrewLB 18:14, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

You are just some residence floor. It's not even really called "Murphy First", and when you are all gone it will just be Sorbara again. You have your own website already, for the few people who will ever care about this. Sorry, but you are just not important. Adam Bishop, or [SMC]AngusPodgorny if you prefer, 18:48, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Hello Adam. Although I was once a fan of yours, personal attack removed at this fine institution.AdamBishopFan 19:43, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Please desist from personal attacks or you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. All Wikipedia articles have to be Verifiable, which means they must have been covered in neutral secondary sources. - SimonP 20:20, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

To be honest I don't find Adam Bishop's view of St. Mike's to be neutral in any way, but at least he likes Sloan. Great band they are.--Murphoholic 20:35, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

In that case, it'd be best to start deleting all the wikipedia entries about Family Guy or similar summaries, because most of them have nothing to do with secondary sources AndrewLB 22:25, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

In the last few weeks alone some 450 news organizations have written stories about Family Guy. By contrast Murphy Hall First Floor has so far received no coverage. - SimonP 22:35, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

As far as I know, the ensuite bathrooms at Loretto have not received any media coverage in the last few weeks. At least Murphy First has received media coverage in The Mike and on MuchMusic. Hastalavictoriasiempre 00:50, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

This is actually a good opportunity to improve the article, although the way to go about doing this is not to add your own in-jokes in response to Loretto's bathrooms. I'm sure we can find a better way to fix this article. Adam Bishop 06:32, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

You make a good point. I think the comments about the Canada Room are way over the top. It really isn't that great a place to dine. Also, to call the PIMS 'famed' is a bit much. Just a few things that could be changed. One last thing, dons aren't always graduate or professional students, they're often in their fourth year of an undergrad program.--Murphoholic 14:44, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Name

Maybe I just missed it in the article, but why does it have a seemingly redundant name? (Both University and College). Did it change names or something? --AW (talk) 20:38, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

All the federated colleges did that, I think, not just at Toronto, but at Western too, and probably wherever else they exist. I know at Western it was to avoid being seen as a community college. The three there are now called "university colleges". I'm not sure when Toronto's colleges changed their names but it was probably for the same reason. Adam Bishop (talk) 20:51, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually, "University of ____ College" was a fairly common way of calling any college with university status in the 19th century. "Harvard College" and "Yale College" were often called "University of Harvard College" and "University of Yale College". There was nothing unusual about "University of Queen's College" or "University of McGill College", which later changed their names to Queen's University and McGill University respectively. University of Trinity College and University of St. Michael's College simply never changed their names. University of King's College in Nova Scotia also kept its original name. The newer university colleges at Western changed their names for different reasons. Jphillips23 (talk) 06:47, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Pius XII made the charter for PIMS, it seems, based on the plaque in front of the buidling.

Based on the plaque in front of PIMS, its charter was signed by Pius XII, not Pius XI. See citation. Now corrected.

 Best wishes, Hoktiwe (talk) 16:45, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

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Requested move 29 January 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. There is no consensus to move the article to the proposed title. The arguments in favour of the move are not sufficiently convincing or supported by reliable sources, while the arguments against the move raise valid concerns about the accuracy and clarity of the proposed title. Therefore, I suggest that the article remains at its current title. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:49, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

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University of St. Michael's College → St. Michael's College, Toronto – consensus at Talk:Trinity_College,_Toronto#Requested_move was for this format Carolynparrishfan (talk) 19:22, 25 January 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Carolynparrishfan (talk) 22:01, 29 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 12:18, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support – Consistent with the other articles about colleges of the University of Toronto. Graham (talk) 04:04, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
• oppose These aren't the same. Trin doesn't use 'University of Trinity collage'. While 'St. Michael's College' is not used by by St mikes, it's either the full name 'University of St. Michael's College', 'St. Michael's' or 'St Mike's' you never see 'St. Michael's College'. Also current title is a natural dab from St. Michael's College School which would also be covered by the proposed title—blindlynx 17:07, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Also current title is a natural dab from St. Michael's College School which would also be covered by the proposed title Disambiguation would not be required as the subject is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for the title. Graham (talk) 03:39, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

In fact they are quite literally in the same situation: both "University of St Michael's College" and "University of Trinity College" are official long-form names that are nevertheless not commonly used in everyday speech. If anyone wants to make a case for why they should be treated as analogous, they're free to do so, but it's not some self-evident assertion. (The existence of St Mike's College School would seem to be a red herring/non sequitur here: Trinity has a similar historical relationship with Trinity College School in Port Hope).

Having said that, I now see that the Vic article follows yet a third convention which isn't consistent with either of the articles in question: I don't imagine there would be much support for Trinity University, Toronto or St. Michael's University, Toronto. Perhaps we ought to be having a more centralized discussion elsewhere about how we name the federated universities at U of T, but I confess that it's beyond me how to go about that. (On the University of Toronto talk page perhaps?) Carolynparrishfan (talk) 04:41, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

They're different situations because 'Trinity collage' is used officially with 'University of Trinity College' being rare; 'University of St Michael's College' is used exclusively in official stuff and 'St Michael's College' is almost never used even in everyday speech—blindlynx 15:37, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

This is necessarily anecdotal, of course. "St Michael's College" was certainly common when I was at TST. Carolynparrishfan (talk) 18:43, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

sure, but you're the one proposing the move, it's on you to show it's used—blindlynx 19:58, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

While 'St. Michael's College' is not used by by St mikes, it's either the full name 'University of St. Michael's College', 'St. Michael's' or 'St Mike's' you never see 'St. Michael's College'. I don't know that that's true. See, e.g., [1]. Graham (talk) 17:37, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose, proposal cites no sources whatsoever. 162 etc. (talk) 17:24, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

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