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Errors in the summary of the featured article
- "In 2019, the researchers named the new genus and species Mimodactylus libanensis; referring to the MIM Museum, with the Greek word daktylos for 'digit', and the specific name refers to Lebanon." This is grammatically incorrect, as the text following the semicolon is not a complete sentence. I would recommend: "In 2019, the researchers named the new genus and species Mimodactylus libanensis, a reference to the MIM Museum combined with the Greek word daktylos for 'digit'; the specific name refers to Lebanon."
- @TFA coordinators any thoughts? Schwede66 03:20, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- I would simply change the semicolon to a comma. That may have been what was intended. Wehwalt (talk) 06:39, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Done as per Wehwalt. Schwede66 15:29, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
The text begins with "The École Polytechnique massacre". If you mouse over that link without clicking, either here or in the article, it says "French-language text". That is wrong. Mousing over normally tells you what article you will get if you click. But clicking the link doesn't give you an article about French-language text, nor does it give you an article written in French.
In edit mode, you'll see this is caused by template:lang, which is used 3 times. According to template:lang#Links, the lang template isn't even working when it's inside a wikilink like that, so you wouldn't lose anything by removing the lang links. The fix suggested at Template:Lang#Links doesn't seem to apply because the examples are entire links in another language, but here the word "massacre" is English. So unless someone has a better idea, I could just remove the lang templates that aren't working anyway. Art LaPella (talk) 07:03, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Or yuo could not. @Art LaPella:, please do not change featured content unilaterally. Paging relevant parties: @FAC coordinators: and @TFA coordinators . SerialNumber54129 10:00, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Just so everyone knows, I have often made minor unilateral changes to featured articles and blurbs without objection. Even when I ask for attention, I don't always get it. In this case I asked, and I'm happy to leave this issue for others. Art LaPella (talk) 18:40, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- I've changed from '''[[École Polytechnique massacre|{{Lang|fr|École Polytechnique|italic=no}} massacre]]''' to '''{{Lang|fr|[[École Polytechnique massacre]]|italic=no}}''' (thus École Polytechnique massacre to École Polytechnique massacre) which gets rid of the problem. This is possibly temporarily unless someone finds a better way; as "massacre" is a cognate from the French this isn't problematic, per se. - SchroCat (talk) 10:25, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- This is a browser problem, not a content one, and that change has introduced an error. "massacre" should not be treated as a French word because, in this instance, it's English. The target article's lead has
'''{{Lang|fr|École Polytechnique|italic=no}} massacre'''
which, being syntactically and grammatically correct, should be used here: École Polytechnique massacre. Bazza 7 (talk) 10:52, 30 November 2024 (UTC)- Read the opening comment and come up with something that doesn't cause the problems that began the thread. - SchroCat (talk) 11:14, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- @SchroCat: I did read the comment, and have pointed out already that this is a problem with the reader's browser, not the content. The content generates
<a href="/wiki/%C3%89cole_Polytechnique_massacre" title="École Polytechnique massacre"><span title="French-language text"><span lang="fr" style="font-style: normal;">École Polytechnique</span></span> massacre</a>
- The browser uses any inner-most "title" attribute to generate a tooltip; so for hovering over
École Polytechnique
that will be French-language text, and for hovering overmassacre
it will be École Polytechnique massacre. - The tooltip functionality is not a part of the code generated. We must not be led into generating inaccurate content purely to overcome the behaviour of certain browsers.
- The simplest solution to satisfy this non-error is to remove the language tag from around the establishment's shortened name which was also its shortened name in Canadian English at the time of the event; so:
'''[[École Polytechnique massacre]]'''
giving École Polytechnique massacre. Bazza 7 (talk) 14:17, 30 November 2024 (UTC)- This is not a “browser problem”. The WHATWG specification of the title attribute says that “The title attribute represents advisory information for the element, such as would be appropriate for a tooltip” and defines an order of precedence for advisory information such that any higher-level elements are ignored. If “French-language text” is not the most relevant advisory information for the text, it should not be in the title attribute. 216.147.127.204 (talk) 03:10, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Read the opening comment and come up with something that doesn't cause the problems that began the thread. - SchroCat (talk) 11:14, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- This is a browser problem, not a content one, and that change has introduced an error. "massacre" should not be treated as a French word because, in this instance, it's English. The target article's lead has
- Art LaPella, that is Friday's (6 Dec) TFA not Wednesday's? JennyOz (talk) 13:21, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes which is the correct date. Secretlondon (talk) 13:31, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Friday 6 December. - SchroCat (talk) 14:16, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes which is the correct date. Secretlondon (talk) 13:31, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Bazza_7 is correct about this being a browser issue. What should probably be done is to modify the template concerned so that it is possible to supress the title attribute, by writing, say,
''[[École Polytechnique massacre|{{Lang|fr|École Polytechnique|italic=no|title=no}} massacre]]''
; or possibly better still by simply removing the title attribute completely. I have raised this on the template's talk page; see Template talk:Lang#Issue with use in links. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:27, 30 November 2024 (UTC) - Also noting that this is not an issue for users of the WP:Navigation popups tool, so the fix might be better done in whatever (Wikipedia) tool is failing to show the article preview popup. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- Your suggestion of ''[[École Polytechnique massacre|{{Lang|fr|École Polytechnique|italic=no|title=no}} massacre]]'' shows as the following error message for me:
- [[École Polytechnique massacre|[École Polytechnique] Error: {{Lang}}: invalid parameter: |title= (help) massacre]]
- (for those who few for who this renders properly, lucky you, but the rest of us are seeing the multi-coloured ''[[École Polytechnique massacre|[École Polytechnique] Error: {{Lang}}: invalid parameter: |title= (help) massacre]]'')
- The template guidance specifically says not to use this format because it doesn't work on talk and some other pages (as seen above); it's not something you want to try out on TFA blurb on the main page. - SchroCat (talk) 09:08, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- @SchroCat: I suggested earlier that the language tag may not be needed for this establishment name, so a simple
'''[[École Polytechnique massacre]]'''
, giving École Polytechnique massacre will do. Bazza 7 (talk) 13:32, 1 December 2024 (UTC) - I don't know who wrote the 'advice' at Template:Lang § Links but it is not very correct. This link:
[[École Polytechnique massacre|{{Lang|fr|École Polytechnique|italic=no}} massacre]]
- works here in the Wikipedia namespace because
{{lang}}
does not categorize outside of mainspace. As written, the link will not work on main page because in mainspace,{{lang}}
categorizes:[[École Polytechnique massacre|<span title="French-language text"><span lang="fr" style="font-style: normal;">École Polytechnique</span></span>[[Category:Articles containing French-language text]] massacre]]
- [[École Polytechnique massacre|École Polytechnique massacre]]
- This is why
{{lang}}
has|nocat=yes
. Use that parameter to suppress the category link in mainspace. - —Trappist the monk (talk) 15:27, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Trappist the monk: The issue is not about categorisation, but tooltips vs. popups. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:37, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Sigh. I was responding to Editor SchroCat's comment:
The template guidance specifically says not to use this format because it doesn't work on talk and some other pages
. In fact it doeswork on talk and ... other pages
as evidenced in the OP. As I explained, it will not work if included as-is on main page. If the{{lang}}
template is retained,|nocat=yes
is your friend. - —Trappist the monk (talk) 15:53, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Sigh. I was responding to Editor SchroCat's comment:
- @Trappist the monk: The issue is not about categorisation, but tooltips vs. popups. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:37, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- For what it's worth (I suck at writing documentation – it is known), I have rewritten Template:Lang § Links.
- —Trappist the monk (talk) 17:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
"Your suggestion ... shows as the following error message..."
I suggested that "What should probably be done is to modify the template" to allow such usage; not that it is possible at the moment. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:34, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- @SchroCat: I suggested earlier that the language tag may not be needed for this establishment name, so a simple
- Personally I think this is not an appropriate usage of the {{lang}} template in the first place. "École Polytechnique" is the English language common name for the institution, this is a proper name and not a foreign-language term that requires clarification. The fact that it originates from French is not really relevant, any more than Paris Saint-Germain FC or Notre-Dame de Paris. We should remove the template per Art LaPella's original suggestion, as that is the correct thing to do. — Amakuru (talk) 11:23, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- I asked about the use a year ago, and was told that it doesn't matter if it is a proper name or not, the template should be used. It's not in English, despite the fact that it is the common name.Either way, the point is moot: someone removed the template a couple of days ago, although it wasn't the "correct" thing to do. - SchroCat (talk) 12:33, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Your suggestion of ''[[École Polytechnique massacre|{{Lang|fr|École Polytechnique|italic=no|title=no}} massacre]]'' shows as the following error message for me:
Errors with "In the news"
Errors in "Did you know ..."
- In the Lou Rash hook, it would be helpful for non-Americans if NFL were linked or even spelt out. I am also not really sure what "release" meant in this context: release from some contract, I guess. But on first reading the hook, I was supposing it was referring to a prisoner who had to return to jail. I'm never sure whether ambiguities like this are a deliberate ploy to garner more clicks, but to me they cheapen Wikipedia. JMCHutchinson (talk) 18:28, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- I went and at least linked NFL, as the context is needed to understand release. I think the wording was just subject experts not realizing that non-experts might not understand the term here.—Bagumba (talk) 04:02, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- I once raised the issue of NFL being an americanism and was accused of (clickbait alert) pandering to the 2% of our audience that doesn't know what the NFL is". RoySmith (talk) 15:59, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- I went and at least linked NFL, as the context is needed to understand release. I think the wording was just subject experts not realizing that non-experts might not understand the term here.—Bagumba (talk) 04:02, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Errors in "On this day"
- The title of Preston By-pass looks weird to me. Is "By-pass" capitalised for a reason? And I would also say the UKENG version would be "bypass" without the hyphen - the sources use both, but the article uses "bypass" 22 times to only six for "by-pass", including in the lead. Black Kite (talk) 12:56, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- It needs to be consistent, whatever we choose. Secretlondon (talk) 12:07, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Looking at Category:Bypasses capitalisation seems to be usual, possibly the hyphen is 1950s English. I have created Category:Bypasses in the United Kingdom. TSventon (talk) 12:50, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- I’ve had a look at the bypass category, too, and couldn’t see another article that used the hyphenated version. I’d be inclined to move this article to align it with the others. Any objections? Support? It needs to be moved by an admin so that we don’t have a redirect from the main page. Schwede66 15:14, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- From what I can tell, contemporaneous sources refer to it as "Bypass" and old sources call it "By-pass". I suspect that might be the case for most of them. I suggest changing to Bypass.--Launchballer 15:23, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Is the redirect of Preston By-pass broken? Turini2 (talk) 12:56, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Just noting that I've moved this back as there's been a redirect on the main page for 20 minutes.--Launchballer 13:19, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- 1807 entry. I think it should be "a Dutch captain", not "the Dutch captain". He was commanding the ships but not Griessie, so there is not even an implied mention of him earlier. JMCHutchinson (talk) 18:35, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- 1775 entry: The image is of lower quality than File:Hauling guns by ox teams from Fort Ticonderoga for the siege of Boston, 1775 - NARA - 531113.jpg JayCubby 02:32, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Errors in the summary of the featured list
Errors in the summary of the featured picture
General discussion
Issue with wide TFA images on mobile
Can someone try to figure out how to fix wide image formatting in the FA blurbs on mobile devices? This has become more and more apparent with recent FAs. Right now for the KARE article, the image has a width that is not quite 100% of the box it is in, but the text is still trying to wrap alongside it in the narrow space that remains. This results in a whopping 2 characters per line appearing for the first 4 lines of the blurb. It is incredibly frustrating as a reader and long-time contributor that mobile layouts can still look like this in 2024. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 06:10, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- This is probably best as a general thread at Talk:Main Page unless there's an issue specific to the KARE image. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 06:15, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Agree with T: this isn't an error in the blurb (which is what this section is for), but a flaw in the structure way beyond the capabilities of any editor to fix - it's something the WMF tech people need to fix. - SchroCat (talk) 08:52, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Moved. Courtesy pings @Y2kcrazyjoker4 and SchroCat. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 08:59, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Agree with T: this isn't an error in the blurb (which is what this section is for), but a flaw in the structure way beyond the capabilities of any editor to fix - it's something the WMF tech people need to fix. - SchroCat (talk) 08:52, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- I see the same problem on mobile. I seem to recall that when we've had this problem before, it was simply fixed by putting {{nowrap}} around the problematic text. So in this case, something like:
- {{nowrap|'''[[KARE (TV)|KARE]]'''}} {{nowrap|(channel 11)}}
- I haven't tested this though. Modest Genius talk 12:43, 4 December 2024 (UTC)